ECT THE FULNESS OF TIMES !!

[DAN P]

Hi to all and one poster was to EX[LAIN what the FULNESS OF TIMES and could not in his OP , called the DIFFERENCES in post #24 !!

He was quoting Col 2:9 " Because in Him dwells all the FULNESS of the Deity Bodily !!

The Greek word DWELLS / ANAKEPHALAOO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and places this verse ONLY UNDER Paul's ministry and under the 12 apostles !!

And other thing that is over looked is the Greek Article " the " and should read THE ALL THINGS !!

THE ALL THING / TA PANTA means ONLY speaks to B O C that are in Heaven and on Earth !!


Only in Him and is another term , " in Christ "


In Eph 1:11 we have been assigned an Inheritance !!

In verse 14 the Holy Spirit is the pledge of that Inheritance !!

In verse 18 says where this Inheritance is , IN THE HOLY PLACES of God's heaven !!

The other verse that show where out Inheritance is found is in Col 1:12

In Eph 2:6 , count yourself as already seated in the Heavenlies with Christ Jesus !!

And in verse 7 that in the AGES THAT ARE COMING , He is MIGHT SHOW forth the super abounding riches of His Grace in kindness toward us " in Christ "

In 1 Cor 6:2 we will govern the Universe and in verse 3 we will GOVERN Angels !!

Also we that our CITIZENSHIP is in the Heavens !! Eph 2:19 !!

Where you are going to be assigned will be known , when we arrive in the Holy Places and this is what what the DISPENSATION of the FULNESS OT TIMES mean to me IN Eph 1:10


Israel's Inheritance is only FOUND on Earth !! Dan 2:44 !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

Hi to all and one poster was to EX[LAIN what the FULNESS OF TIMES and could not in his OP , called the DIFFERENCES in post #24 !!

He was quoting Col 2:9 " Because in Him dwells all the FULNESS of the Deity Bodily !!

The Greek word DWELLS / ANAKEPHALAOO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and places this verse ONLY UNDER Paul's ministry and under the 12 apostles !!

And other thing that is over looked is the Greek Article " the " and should read THE ALL THINGS !!

THE ALL THING / TA PANTA means ONLY speaks to B O C that are in Heaven and on Earth !!


Only in Him and is another term , " in Christ "


In Eph 1:11 we have been assigned an Inheritance !!

In verse 14 the Holy Spirit is the pledge of that Inheritance !!

In verse 18 says where this Inheritance is , IN THE HOLY PLACES of God's heaven !!

The other verse that show where out Inheritance is found is in Col 1:12

In Eph 2:6 , count yourself as already seated in the Heavenlies with Christ Jesus !!

And in verse 7 that in the AGES THAT ARE COMING , He is MIGHT SHOW forth the super abounding riches of His Grace in kindness toward us " in Christ "

In 1 Cor 6:2 we will govern the Universe and in verse 3 we will GOVERN Angels !!

Also we that our CITIZENSHIP is in the Heavens !! Eph 2:19 !!

Where you are going to be assigned will be known , when we arrive in the Holy Places and this is what what the DISPENSATION of the FULNESS OT TIMES mean to me IN Eph 1:10


Israel's Inheritance is only FOUND on Earth !! Dan 2:44 !!

dan p

It has already come and is already enjoyed in Christ. That is why it says in Col 3: our lives are (present) hidden with Christ in God, where we are to have our minds. Colossians was not written with some hatred for good normal things of this creation, but against a neo-Judaism that had started up.

No Israel's inheritance is not found only on earth, not if you mean Israel as God meant--the believers all through time, and the NT tells us that kingdom came and is still growing.

 

[DAN P]

It has already come and is already enjoyed in Christ. That is why it says in Col 3: our lives are (present) hidden with Christ in God, where we are to have our minds. Colossians was not written with some hatred for good normal things of this creation, but against a neo-Judaism that had started up.

No Israel's inheritance is not found only on earth, not if you mean Israel as God meant--the believers all through time, and the NT tells us that kingdom came and is still growing.

Hi and always glad to see that you are quoting Paul in Col 3;3 , and believe in DISPENSATIONALISM for you are quoting Paul !!

Col 3:3 say YE ARE DEAD / APOHNESKO . and are the Jews called dead people ?

Then the Greek word IS HIDDEN / KRYTO is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE which means we are always HIDDEN forever in Christ in God !!

You are believing in Dispensationalism OR staying in the ditch ??

You did not believe in Dan 2:44 ??

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

you believe in DISPENSATIONALISM for you are quoting Paul !!




That's what the 10,000 repetitions does, folks.

 

[Danoh]

Hi to all and one poster was to EX[LAIN what the FULNESS OF TIMES and could not in his OP , called the DIFFERENCES in post #24 !!

He was quoting Col 2:9 " Because in Him dwells all the FULNESS of the Deity Bodily !!

The Greek word DWELLS / ANAKEPHALAOO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and places this verse ONLY UNDER Paul's ministry and under the 12 apostles !!

And other thing that is over looked is the Greek Article " the " and should read THE ALL THINGS !!

THE ALL THING / TA PANTA means ONLY speaks to B O C that are in Heaven and on Earth !!


Only in Him and is another term , " in Christ "


In Eph 1:11 we have been assigned an Inheritance !!

In verse 14 the Holy Spirit is the pledge of that Inheritance !!

In verse 18 says where this Inheritance is , IN THE HOLY PLACES of God's heaven !!

The other verse that show where out Inheritance is found is in Col 1:12

In Eph 2:6 , count yourself as already seated in the Heavenlies with Christ Jesus !!

And in verse 7 that in the AGES THAT ARE COMING , He is MIGHT SHOW forth the super abounding riches of His Grace in kindness toward us " in Christ "

In 1 Cor 6:2 we will govern the Universe and in verse 3 we will GOVERN Angels !!

Also we that our CITIZENSHIP is in the Heavens !! Eph 2:19 !!

Where you are going to be assigned will be known , when we arrive in the Holy Places and this is what what the DISPENSATION of the FULNESS OT TIMES mean to me IN Eph 1:10


Israel's Inheritance is only FOUND on Earth !! Dan 2:44 !!

dan p

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

The Dispensation of the Fullness of Times begins after the Millennial reign.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

But first Matt. 6:10a - and only after those fallen High Places "in heaven" Matt. 6: 10b, are first reconciled back unto Himself...

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Mat. 6: 10a being this...

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When that has reached it's own Rom. 11:12's "THEIR fullness" also, then, the following will be the result of both fulnesses...

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

That is the Dispensation of the FULNESS of TIMES.

After which begins...

Maestro - hit it!

"When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun."

Acts 17: 11, 12.

 

[1250s]

Hi to all and one poster was to EX[LAIN what the FULNESS OF TIMES and could not in his OP , called the DIFFERENCES in post #24 !!

He was quoting Col 2:9 " Because in Him dwells all the FULNESS of the Deity Bodily !!

The Greek word DWELLS / ANAKEPHALAOO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and places this verse ONLY UNDER Paul's ministry and under the 12 apostles !!

And other thing that is over looked is the Greek Article " the " and should read THE ALL THINGS !!

THE ALL THING / TA PANTA means ONLY speaks to B O C that are in Heaven and on Earth !!


Only in Him and is another term , " in Christ "


In Eph 1:11 we have been assigned an Inheritance !!

In verse 14 the Holy Spirit is the pledge of that Inheritance !!

In verse 18 says where this Inheritance is , IN THE HOLY PLACES of God's heaven !!

The other verse that show where out Inheritance is found is in Col 1:12

In Eph 2:6 , count yourself as already seated in the Heavenlies with Christ Jesus !!

And in verse 7 that in the AGES THAT ARE COMING , He is MIGHT SHOW forth the super abounding riches of His Grace in kindness toward us " in Christ "

In 1 Cor 6:2 we will govern the Universe and in verse 3 we will GOVERN Angels !!

Also we that our CITIZENSHIP is in the Heavens !! Eph 2:19 !!

Where you are going to be assigned will be known , when we arrive in the Holy Places and this is what what the DISPENSATION of the FULNESS OT TIMES mean to me IN Eph 1:10


Israel's Inheritance is only FOUND on Earth !! Dan 2:44 !!

dan p

Here is the LDS revelations on the doctrine of the Fullness of Times. I tried to find a shorter definition but could not in the time I had.

Dispensation of the Fulness of Times

See this page in the original 1992 publication.

Author: Packer, Rand H.

The Dispensation of the Fulness of Times is the final dispensation for this earth. Dispensations are periods of time in which the gospel of Jesus Christ is administered by holy prophets called and ordained by God to deliver his message to the inhabitants of the world. The central work of the "dispensation of the fulness of times" consists of bringing together all gospel ordinances and truths of past dispensations and some items unique to the last days. Paul spoke of a future time when all things that are in heaven and on earth would at last be gathered together, and he called it the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph. 1:10).

This dispensation began with the Prophet Joseph Smith's first vision, and all revelations and divine gifts of former dispensations continually flow into it. Concerning this, Joseph Smith wrote on September 6, 1842: "It is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time" (D&C 128:18).

David W. Patten, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said in 1838: "The dispensation of the fullness of times is made up of all the dispensations that ever have been since the world began, until this time…. All [the prophets] received in their time a dispensation by revelation from God, to accomplish the great scheme of restoration,…the end of which is the dispensation of the fulness of times, in the which all things shall be fulfilled that have been spoken of since the earth was made" (HC 3:51).


http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Dispensation_of_the_Fulness_of_Times



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[Interplanner]

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

The Dispensation of the Fullness of Times begins after the Millennial reign.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

But first Matt. 6:10a - and only after those fallen High Places "in heaven" Matt. 6: 10b, are first reconciled back unto Himself...

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Mat. 6: 10a being this...

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When that has reached it's own Rom. 11:12's "THEIR fullness" also, then, the following will be the result of both fulnesses...

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

That is the Dispensation of the FULNESS of TIMES.

After which begins...

Maestro - hit it!

"When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun."

Acts 17: 11, 12.

And yet Eph 1:20 says that in the resurrection, he is exalted above everything not only in this age but the age to come. Hmmm why mention this age?

The more curious phrase is 10's 'to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment'. I think he stepped back into the past for a moment when he said that. Because God did make all things under one head in the same resurrection event, 1:20, 2:21, 3:11 (past tense also), 4:15. Of course, there is rebellion from this.

This is why Eph 4 especially sounds like our whole culture is to know that Christ is this exalted Lord and to be subject to him. It is the futility of the Gentiles to think otherwise.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

if you mean Israel as God meant--the believers all through time,

100% fantasy, a product of vain imagination.

 

[Tambora]

100% fantasy, a product of vain imagination.

Yeppers.

 

[Interplanner]

100% fantasy, a product of vain imagination.

Nope, that's what you find when you really know the NT.

He who is a Jew is one inwardly...
Not all Israel are Israel...
Even us, from the Jews and from the Nations, as it is written (4 quotes)...
The children of the present city of Jerusalem are in slavery, but the children of Jerusalem that is above are free in Christ, and she is our mother...
Christ served on Israel's behalf to bring the mercies of God to the Gentiles (4 quotes), fulfilling the promises

And on and on.

At the same time: no clear connection to the race as such even as an adjunct program, where it would matter. Rom 11 especially has nothing about this because it is so clear that a person is in the oak tree by faith, and that 'kai houtos' means this manner of inclusion or entry.

At the same time: the repudiation in heb 11, that the promise ever was about the then current geographic land, because it always was above and always was not 'ready' or 'perfected' until the sacrifice of Christ.

At the same time: the land itself and the temple is melted down in an event that is the only historic event like it in the ancient world.





You guys have hopeless cut off yourself from the facts. Why? Because a mere human bean in the 1900s decided the bible did not make sense without 2 programs running and created the 2nd program. Then it 'made sense.' never mind 200 years of renaissance scholarship making sense of it just fine.

'We are SURROUNDED by such a great cloud of witnesses' of these things, but D'ism is as blinding as Judaism, in which 'the rule of behavior does not apply to its identity.'

God is one. He is not divided. That verse in Heb 12:1 is not for a divided body. Nor is it only for one group. Nor does He author confusion like you. The joyful assembly of 12:22 is one; it is unified. It is because there is one savior, covenant, blessing and fulfillment. For all those who lived in the fear of death all their lives but believed Christ's sacrifice. 2:15. That would be Abraham's seed, 2:16 which is one:

"If you belong to Christ (one Christ), then you are Abrham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Nope, that's what you find when you really know the NT.

Nonsense.

 

[DAN P]

Hi and just where is Israel's INHERITANCE than going to happen ?

What believers all through time MEAN ??

dan p

 

[Danoh]

And yet Eph 1:20 says that in the resurrection, he is exalted above everything not only in this age but the age to come. Hmmm why mention this age?

The more curious phrase is 10's 'to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment'. I think he stepped back into the past for a moment when he said that. Because God did make all things under one head in the same resurrection event, 1:20, 2:21, 3:11 (past tense also), 4:15. Of course, there is rebellion from this.

This is why Eph 4 especially sounds like our whole culture is to know that Christ is this exalted Lord and to be subject to him. It is the futility of the Gentiles to think otherwise.

You can't have what you are asserting hereinabove, and YET at the SAME time have, even YOUR YET FUTURE "Matt. 24B."

Acts 17: 11, 12.

 

[Interplanner]

Hi and just where is Israel's INHERITANCE than going to happen ?

What believers all through time MEAN ??

dan p

The inheritance is Christ.

There is one flock/group of believers all through time. Notice how we are united in Heb 11 instead of the stupid compartments of STP or Must and their gate codes about who can be in which department of heaven and when.

 

[DAN P]

Nope, that's what you find when you really know the NT.

He who is a Jew is one inwardly...
Not all Israel are Israel...
Even us, from the Jews and from the Nations, as it is written (4 quotes)...
The children of the present city of Jerusalem are in slavery, but the children of Jerusalem that is above are free in Christ, and she is our mother...
Christ served on Israel's behalf to bring the mercies of God to the Gentiles (4 quotes), fulfilling the promises

And on and on.

At the same time: no clear connection to the race as such even as an adjunct program, where it would matter. Rom 11 especially has nothing about this because it is so clear that a person is in the oak tree by faith, and that 'kai houtos' means this manner of inclusion or entry.

At the same time: the repudiation in heb 11, that the promise ever was about the then current geographic land, because it always was above and always was not 'ready' or 'perfected' until the sacrifice of Christ.

At the same time: the land itself and the temple is melted down in an event that is the only historic event like it in the ancient world.





You guys have hopeless cut off yourself from the facts. Why? Because a mere human bean in the 1900s decided the bible did not make sense without 2 programs running and created the 2nd program. Then it 'made sense.' never mind 200 years of renaissance scholarship making sense of it just fine.

'We are SURROUNDED by such a great cloud of witnesses' of these things, but D'ism is as blinding as Judaism, in which 'the rule of behavior does not apply to its identity.'

God is one. He is not divided. That verse in Heb 12:1 is not for a divided body. Nor is it only for one group. Nor does He author confusion like you. The joyful assembly of 12:22 is one; it is unified. It is because there is one savior, covenant, blessing and fulfillment. For all those who lived in the fear of death all their lives but believed Christ's sacrifice. 2:15. That would be Abraham's seed, 2:16 which is one:

"If you belong to Christ (one Christ), then you are Abrham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29.

Hia and you have quoted Gal 3:29 WRONG as it is Abram and NOT Abraham , a big difference as to what Gal 3:29 is talking about !

Mark 12:7 and Luke 20:14 are 2 passages that explain why Israel gets and INHERITANCE !!

dan p

 

[Danoh]

Hia and you have quoted Gal 3:29 WRONG as it is Abram and NOT Abraham , a big difference as to what Gal 3:29 is talking about !

Mark 12:7 and Luke 20:14 are 2 passages that explain why Israel gets and INHERITANCE !!

dan p

Only if all one has is the crutch that over relying on the Greek ends up becoming.

Fact of the matter is that what Paul was talking about in chapters 1 - 3 to begin with BEFORE he even mentioned Abe, supplies more than enough of a narrative to sufficiently inform the reader as to the Apostle Paul's actually intended sense, when he then followed all that with mentioning Abe.

In other words, Paul had already established or touched on what he was talking about to begin with BEFORE he then followed that with bringing up Abe.

And in line with his having already established what he was talking about BEFORE he then brought up Abe, he THEN brought him up because the issue he has ALREADY been addressing - justification by grace through faith - is the very issue in question; is the very issue the Judaizers ha've succeeded in having caused the Galations fall from an understanding of.

The same righteousness of faith the very father of those Judaizers and their insistence on the Law for righteousness had ALSO had had accounted to his account.

Paul is basically REMINDING the Galatians of the SAME basis for their acceptance before God, that he had also...

Communicated unto James, Cephas, and John; and that he had...

Later confronted Peter, and even Barnabas, about having violated the very basis of; and that...

Paul had taught the Galatians way BEFORE he wrote Galatians to them; and that...

He will later also REMIND the Romans of, in his writing of Romans 3 and 4 to them (some ten years or so after he wrote Galatians).

He is referring to that gospel he mentions in Galatians 1 he himself had been saved under, and been separated unto, for him to preach "among the heathen" the very day the Lord saved Him.

Or as he will relate many, many years later regarding this justification by faith "doctrine..." had been committed unto him all those years earlier, is...

1 Timothy 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So you see, Dan, whether the word is Abram or Abraham, or what have you, it matters not.

Because what matters more, is the whole narrative of a thing and the doctrine or teaching it is based on and that has already been established by Paul in prior of his various narratives - he is often merely reminding his readers back then of things he had already taught them, or that one of his fellow laborers had taught them under Paul's guidance.

Meaning, what often remains for the Bible student attempting to sort out what's what is to merely work Paul's (resulting) math backwards to its original narratives.

Not surprisingly, this is also the very same basic rule which when followed, more often than not allows one to understand what one poster or another is actually talking about without having to ask them.

Its not like one can "Greek" the text of one poster or another.

Your study approach continues to prove itself rather limited.

Rom. 14: 5; in remembrance of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.