ECT Pentecost DONE FOR ??

[Psalmist]

Pentecost, the day of Pentecost holiday/festiva.

Or the Pentecostal Church/denomination.

I think they are both in good standing.

 

[DAN P]

Pentecost, the day of Pentecost holiday/festiva.

Or the Pentecostal Church/deninstiom.

I think they are both in good standing.

Hi and if in good standing , do you preach Eph 3:9 ??

Why not ??

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

That is not the sense of what Paul is saying at all. You need to quit reasoning into the passages and instead allow them to take captive your every thought to their own, obvious reasoning>

2 Corinthians 5:

12. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
13. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

The issue thus far is those who glory in appearance; who focus on the outer and not on the inward man; make the flesh the issue.

He then adds to that, that in fact ["yea"], just as...

16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

We don't even know Him after the flesh anymore - the Jesus of Matthew thru John.

For the flesh is not the issue. For...

17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

There is much more there, and many other passages; as this "after the flesh" was the Corinthians main problem.

But hopefully this will cause you to at least will chew on how you might approach the study of the passages not only - through the passages [plural] - but properly.

Can't follow you on that Danoh, he was talking about Judaism; about what he saw of Christ as a leader in Judaism. The veiled look.

 

[kayaker]

Hi and I could have said more on Rom 11:8 , like " IT IS WRITTEN "

is in the Greek Perfect Tense , Passive Voice , and in the Indicatice Mood of FACT !!

Which means that when written in the Past time , it means CONTINUOUS ACTION and this phrase can be found more than once .

The verb " SEE " is in the Present Tense and means that all can see the CONTINUOUS action of that Blindness , for over 2000 years .
Where do you disagree , if you do ?

dan p

I agree with the continuous action of that blindness Dan, but not universally so. I find such blindness currently being the virtual absence of explicit and succinct knowledge of these two testimonies, John 8:38 KJV and John 8:40 KJV. Those two testimonies of these two divine witnesses, John 8:18 KJV, corroborate Jesus' divinity (John 8:12 KJV) that was challenged in John 8:13, 19, 25, and inherently in John 8:41 KJV. I cannot find a single soul who can elaborate on those two testimonies: John 8:38 KJV being Jesus' testimony to His divine origin, and John 8:40 KJV being God's testimony to Jesus' divine origin that even Abraham didn't hear.

So, there's the current blindness to Jesus' irrefutable and divine origin. What specifically and succinctly did Jesus SEE WITH HIS FATHER? What specifically and succinctly did Jesus HEAR FROM GOD that even Abraham didn't hear? The absence of this specific and succinct truth (John 8:32 KJV) testifies to the blindness Paul spoke of in Romans 11:8 KJV referring to Isaiah 6: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

Another question arises, then. Can the Holy Spirit (John 14:16, 17, 26) heal that blindness? Or, are all doomed to blindness? Who has eyes to see, and ears to hear?

kayaker

 

[oatmeal]

Those who are of the household of faith ARE in Christ. It does not say (imply or even infer) that once you are 'in Christ' that you cannot fall away. No verse does. O.S.A.S. is extraneous to The Holy Bible.

Falling away refers to not obeying are being distracted.

That would be a sin, but who died for all our sins?

Sin does not negate the gift of salvation/eternal life/holy spirit.

It does distract us and delay us from using or working or benefiting directly from working and using that gift, but it does not negate that gift.

Acts 2:4 When the apostles spoke in tongues, it was God that gave the utterance.

We are to work out, energize, our salvation. Philippians 2:12-13

 

[DAN P]

I agree with the continuous action of that blindness Dan, but not universally so. I find such blindness currently being the virtual absence of explicit and succinct knowledge of these two testimonies, John 8:38 KJV and John 8:40 KJV. Those two testimonies of these two divine witnesses, John 8:18 KJV, corroborate Jesus' divinity (John 8:12 KJV) that was challenged in John 8:13, 19, 25, and inherently in John 8:41 KJV. I cannot find a single soul who can elaborate on those two testimonies: John 8:38 KJV being Jesus' testimony to His divine origin, and John 8:40 KJV being God's testimony to Jesus' divine origin that even Abraham didn't hear.

So, there's the current blindness to Jesus' irrefutable and divine origin. What specifically and succinctly did Jesus SEE WITH HIS FATHER? What specifically and succinctly did Jesus HEAR FROM GOD that even Abraham didn't hear? The absence of this specific and succinct truth (John 8:32 KJV) testifies to the blindness Paul spoke of in Romans 11:8 KJV referring to Isaiah 6: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

Another question arises, then. Can the Holy Spirit (John 14:16, 17, 26) heal that blindness? Or, are all doomed to blindness? Who has eyes to see, and ears to hear?

kayaker

Hi and remember that that BLINDNESS is Temporary " UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN " in Rom 11:25 and many mor passages !!

Then Mark 16:15-18 will be fulfilled as Matt 28:19 and 20 NEVER was fulfilled !!

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

Hi and remember that that BLINDNESS is Temporary " UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN " in Rom 11:25 and many mor passages !!

Then Mark 16:15-18 will be fulfilled as Matt 28:19 and 20 NEVER was fulfilled !!

dan p

DanP,
1, that "until" does not guarantee anything after, because the hardening (not blindness) is partial anyway. It always has been. He gives examples from the past and present in the first verses of ch 11. It has the force of "for the duration of time."

2, Where are the "many" other NT verses about things changing at the end of the times of the Gentiles? There is just Lk 21. It has the same force there. The city is judged and destroyed until the end of time. What is going on since 1948 (attempted even earlier) is not what the prophets had in mind at all. It is just modern social effort, 90% agnostic.

 

[Danoh]

DanP,
1, that "until" does not guarantee anything after, because the hardening (not blindness) is partial anyway. It always has been. He gives examples from the past and present in the first verses of ch 11. It has the force of "for the duration of time."

2, Where are the "many" other NT verses about things changing at the end of the times of the Gentiles? There is just Lk 21. It has the same force there. The city is judged and destroyed until the end of time. What is going on since 1948 (attempted even earlier) is not what the prophets had in mind at all. It is just modern social effort, 90% agnostic.

I have long since observed that you could care less whether your supposed facts actually line up - but Mid-Acts is Cessasionist: 1948 is just another year on the calendar, Mr. one size fits all, thus, your one mission error.

 

[Interplanner]

"Until" never requires anything afterwards. It often means for the duration.

You'd be worth interacting with if you had something original and positive to say, instead of being a villifyer of anything that's in front of him.

You need to get that 'Peter was not confronted' problem worked out from those three passages. It will ruin you, until you do.