Court rules Rachel Maddown is fake news

Gary K

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In an interesting court decision in OAN vs Maddow, MSNBC, and Comcast the judge has ruled that even Maddow's "own audience understands that her show consists of exaggeration, hyperbole, and pure opinion, and therefore would not assume that such outlandish accusations are factually true even when she uses the language of certainty and truth when presenting them (“literally is paid Russian propaganda")." On that basis the judge dismissed OAN's suit against Maddow, MSNBC and Comcast.

When even the courts rule Maddow's nothing but a puppet and a sideshow I'd say it's pretty obvious the world knows it's all fake news as Maddow broadcasts the same stories the rest of the mockingbird media publishes.

 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
Coincidentally, Tucker Carlson just received the benefit of a similar finding for his show. I think he was the way more lucky recipient.

Fox News got to claim victory on Thursday after a new ruling in a lawsuit brought against the company came out in its favor, but the win arrived at a steep cost. To deflect an allegation of defamation, the network was forced to claim that one of its highest-profile personalities can't reasonably be expected to consistently provide accurate information to viewers.

Looking at the court's ruling for Rachel, she had her facts straight, and engaged in legally protected opinion and hyperbole in the discussion of them.

There is no dispute that Maddow discussed this article on her segment and
accurately presented the article’s information. Indeed, the facts in the title of her
segment are not alleged to be defamatory: “Staffer on Trump-favored network is on
propaganda Kremlin payroll.” Plaintiff agrees that President Trump has praised
OAN, and Rouz, a staffer for OAN, writes articles for Sputnik News which is
affiliated with the Russian government. (See Compl. ¶ 24.) Rouz is paid for his work
by Sputnik News. (Id. ¶ 26.)
Maddow provided these facts in her segment before
making the allegedly defamatory statement.
The Ninth Circuit has held that “when a speaker outlines the factual basis for
his conclusion, his statement is protected by the First Amendment.”
Partington, 56
F.3d at 1156; see also Dodds v. Am. Broad. Co., 145 F.3d 1053, 1067 (9th Cir. 1998)
(holding an opinion “based on an implication arising from disclosed facts is not
actionable when the disclosed facts themselves are not actionable”); Standing Comm.
On Discipline of U.S. Dist. Court for Cent. Dist. of Cal. v. Yagman, 55 F.3d 1430,
1439 (9th Cir. 1995) (“A statement of opinion based on fully disclosed facts can be
punished only if the stated facts are themselves false and demeaning. . . . When the
facts underlying a statement of opinion are disclosed, readers will understand they
are getting the author’s interpretation of the facts presented; they are therefore
unlikely to construe the statement as insinuating the existence of additional,
undisclosed facts.”).
The basis for Maddow’s allegedly defamatory statement is clearly the story
from the Daily Beast, which she presents truthfully and in full. Thus, she sufficiently
provides listeners with the factual basis for her statement.
Maddow “does not even
hint that her opinion is based on any additional, undisclosed facts not known to the
public.” See Cochran, 58 F. Supp. 2d at 1122; Copp v. Paxton, 45 Cal. App. 4th 829,
837 (1996) (“A statement of opinion . . . may still be actionable if it implies the
allegation of undisclosed defamatory facts as the basis for the opinion.” (citation
omitted)). Viewers were presented with the details of the story before hearing the
alleged defamatory statement and no additional facts were implied.



I don't watch Rachel Maddow's show, although I've seen occasional clipped segments of her show. But what I've seen of her I like. She's intelligent, knowledgeable, well-prepared. And I understand why the right hates her with a passion.

Oh - I did listen to her podcast Bagman about Spiro T. Agnew and highly recommend it.
 

Gary K

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Coincidentally, Tucker Carlson just received the benefit of a similar finding for his show. I think he was the way more lucky recipient.

Fox News got to claim victory on Thursday after a new ruling in a lawsuit brought against the company came out in its favor, but the win arrived at a steep cost. To deflect an allegation of defamation, the network was forced to claim that one of its highest-profile personalities can't reasonably be expected to consistently provide accurate information to viewers.

Looking at the court's ruling for Rachel, she had her facts straight, and engaged in legally protected opinion and hyperbole in the discussion of them.

There is no dispute that Maddow discussed this article on her segment and
accurately presented the article’s information. Indeed, the facts in the title of her
segment are not alleged to be defamatory: “Staffer on Trump-favored network is on
propaganda Kremlin payroll.” Plaintiff agrees that President Trump has praised
OAN, and Rouz, a staffer for OAN, writes articles for Sputnik News which is
affiliated with the Russian government. (See Compl. ¶ 24.) Rouz is paid for his work
by Sputnik News. (Id. ¶ 26.)
Maddow provided these facts in her segment before
making the allegedly defamatory statement.
The Ninth Circuit has held that “when a speaker outlines the factual basis for
his conclusion, his statement is protected by the First Amendment.”
Partington, 56
F.3d at 1156; see also Dodds v. Am. Broad. Co., 145 F.3d 1053, 1067 (9th Cir. 1998)
(holding an opinion “based on an implication arising from disclosed facts is not
actionable when the disclosed facts themselves are not actionable”); Standing Comm.
On Discipline of U.S. Dist. Court for Cent. Dist. of Cal. v. Yagman, 55 F.3d 1430,
1439 (9th Cir. 1995) (“A statement of opinion based on fully disclosed facts can be
punished only if the stated facts are themselves false and demeaning. . . . When the
facts underlying a statement of opinion are disclosed, readers will understand they
are getting the author’s interpretation of the facts presented; they are therefore
unlikely to construe the statement as insinuating the existence of additional,
undisclosed facts.”).
The basis for Maddow’s allegedly defamatory statement is clearly the story
from the Daily Beast, which she presents truthfully and in full. Thus, she sufficiently
provides listeners with the factual basis for her statement.
Maddow “does not even
hint that her opinion is based on any additional, undisclosed facts not known to the
public.” See Cochran, 58 F. Supp. 2d at 1122; Copp v. Paxton, 45 Cal. App. 4th 829,
837 (1996) (“A statement of opinion . . . may still be actionable if it implies the
allegation of undisclosed defamatory facts as the basis for the opinion.” (citation
omitted)). Viewers were presented with the details of the story before hearing the
alleged defamatory statement and no additional facts were implied.



I don't watch Rachel Maddow's show, although I've seen occasional clipped segments of her show. But what I've seen of her I like. She's intelligent, knowledgeable, well-prepared. And I understand why the right hates her with a passion.

Oh - I did listen to her podcast Bagman about Spiro T. Agnew and highly recommend it.
In other words, you love fake news. That's what the court system called her.
 

Gary K

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I love smart opinion.

If you ever have a smart opinion of your own, I might love it too! :)
The problem is that everything you opine is a "smart opinion" in politics leads directly to totalitarianism. You're a dedicated marxist so how could I ever have what you consider to be a "smart opinion"? I'm a committed enemy of marxism and totalitarianism as both are the avowed enemies of all mankind and all true morality.
 

Gary K

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You're intentionally lying and/or unintentionally delusional.



Hope springs eternal. :)
So, you're lying about everything you say you support and believe in? You support crt. Marxist mumbo jumbo. You support blm. marxist. You support antifa. marxist. I can do this with everything you post here. I can show all their marxist roots and their own claims of being marxist.

You have no honest way out of this claim of yours.
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
So, you're lying about everything you say you support and believe in? You support crt. Marxist mumbo jumbo. You support blm. marxist. You support antifa. marxist. I can do this with everything you post here. I can show all their marxist roots and their own claims of being marxist.

You have no honest way out of this claim of yours.

To you everyone left of the John Birch Society is marxist. That is wrong, and delusional.
 

TomO

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The problem is that everything you opine is a "smart opinion" in politics leads directly to totalitarianism. You're a dedicated marxist so how could I ever have what you consider to be a "smart opinion"? I'm a committed enemy of marxism and totalitarianism as both are the avowed enemies of all mankind and all true morality.
Stalin had many "Smart Westerners with Smart Opinions simping for him while he murdered his own people. :unsure:
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Stalin had many "Smart Westerners with Smart Opinions simping for him while he murdered his own people. :unsure:
While true of some American intellectuals it was much more commonly encountered in England. Socialism took root in England to a degree that it never has, thank God, in America. Greater excesses wrt workers rights, perhaps. A longer crack at the industrial revolution to prime the receptive for the likes of Marx.
 

marke

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In an interesting court decision in OAN vs Maddow, MSNBC, and Comcast the judge has ruled that even Maddow's "own audience understands that her show consists of exaggeration, hyperbole, and pure opinion, and therefore would not assume that such outlandish accusations are factually true even when she uses the language of certainty and truth when presenting them (“literally is paid Russian propaganda")." On that basis the judge dismissed OAN's suit against Maddow, MSNBC and Comcast.

When even the courts rule Maddow's nothing but a puppet and a sideshow I'd say it's pretty obvious the world knows it's all fake news as Maddow broadcasts the same stories the rest of the mockingbird media publishes.

If sued for lying the leftist media propagandists and lying liberals will admit they are lying and should not be prosecuted because everyone knows they are lying.
 
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