Being born again or from above !

beloved57

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Jn 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The greek text reads :

ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ

The greek word avwthen literally is


  1. from above, from a higher place

    So the verse is translated by some as:

    Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."NET

    Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;' YLT

    The emphasis is being born from above, or from a higher place.

    Now exactly where is that ? Here Col 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God

    Yes, being born from above where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God !

    Thats because, every sinner Christ died for, died with Him, and also was risen with Him, and have life with Him from the dead.

    So everyone Christ died for, He rose for and have resurrected life stored up in Him for them, and in due time they are born again [from above] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead as Peter testifies here 1 Pet 1:3

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All sinners Christ died for, put away their sins before God, to them He becomes a life giving Spirit from on the right hand of God 1 Cor 15:45

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    And thats what Jesus means by one must be born again or from above Jn 3:3 !
 

oatmeal

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Yes, it is born from above.

I Peter 1:23 we are born again not of human corruptible seed but by the incorruptible from God by the word of God which lives and abides forever.

We are born from above

We are sons of God by seed, not adoption

I John 3:1-2

Romans 8:14
 

Squeaky

BANNED
Banned
BORN AGAIN STEP BY STEP

Lets try to clear some things up. No one is a Christian because they say they are. Every Christian has to grow in Spirit until they become born again. And that cant happen until they go through all the steps of being born again.
And no two Christian are at the same place in their walk. One can be in the milk understanding and another can be in the meat understanding and another can be born again with the revelations of Jesus Christ. Now the milk understanding is three years long, and the meat understanding is atleast eleven years long, and the revelations of Jesus Christ at first are seven years long. Then after that they just keep coming.
One can be in there first year of the milk, while another can be in their third year of the milk understanding. One can be in their first or second year of the meat while another can be in their tenth or eleventh year of the meat. While some can be in their seventh year of receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ while others can be in their tenth or eleventh year of receiving the revelations of Jesus Christ.
Here is where the confusion comes in. No one in the milk CAN understand anyone in the meat. And no one in the meat CAN understand anyone in the revelations of Jesus Christ. This is why we trade talents to help and learn from one another. Outsiders will always see it as we are arguing with one another and in reality we are not.
Those in the milk understanding will always argue emotionally. Those in the meat who are in the process of crucifying their emotions will try to be gentle but with an accational stumbling. Those who have come to the revelations of Jesus Christ will never get emotional because they have crucified their emotions. No one gets it all by themselves without trading talents to gain more.

Matt 25:15-28
15 "And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
16 "Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents.
17 "And likewise he who had received two gained two more also.
18 "But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money.
19 "After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
20 "So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, 'Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.'
21 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
22 "He also who had received two talents came and said, 'Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.'
23 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
24 "Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed.
25 'And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.'
26 "But his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed.
27 'So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest.
28 'Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
Matt 25:29
29 'For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away.
Luke 8:17-18
17 "For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.
18 "Therefore take heed how you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him."
John 11:25-27
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"
27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."
John 12:24-25
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.
25 "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
Matt 20:16
16 "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."
Luke 5:37-39
37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined.
38 "But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.
39 "And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, 'The old is better.'"
Eph 2:1
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Eph 2:4-6
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Heb 5:12-6:3
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
CHAPTER 6
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this we will do if God permits.
Gal 5:15-26
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Gal 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:15-18
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
Gal 2:1-2
1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
(NKJ)
xxx The milk understanding is three years long at a minnimum. The meat understanding is eleven years long at a minnimum. Then one comes to the revelations of Jesus Christ, and then they are born again.

2 Tim 3:12
12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
(NKJ)

xx All nine gifts of the Holy Spirit are in each one of the revelations of Jesus Christ. One is now walking in love for all. They no longer need the individual gifts that they received in the milk. They are now walking after the revelations of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 13:8-13
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
(NKJ)

Rev 22:10-12
10 And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."
12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
(NKJ)
 

Nanja

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Jn 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The greek text reads :

ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ

The greek word avwthen literally is


  1. from above, from a higher place

    So the verse is translated by some as:

    Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."NET

    Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;' YLT

    The emphasis is being born from above, or from a higher place.

    Now exactly where is that ? Here Col 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God

    Yes, being born from above where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God !

    Thats because, every sinner Christ died for, died with Him, and also was risen with Him, and have life with Him from the dead.

    So everyone Christ died for, He rose for and have resurrected life stored up in Him for them, and in due time they are born again [from above] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead as Peter testifies here 1 Pet 1:3

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All sinners Christ died for, put away their sins before God, to them He becomes a life giving Spirit from on the right hand of God 1 Cor 15:45

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    And thats what Jesus means by one must be born again or from above Jn 3:3 !


Amen!

Being born again or born from above is the evidence of having been Chosen of the Father in union with Christ to be Holy and without blame before Him, and to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:3-7, in their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22, before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.

So they being members of His Body, risen with Him from the dead Heb. 13:20, and quickened or made Alive together with Him Eph. 2:5, are in this lifetime, by a Supernatural Work of God, made Spiritually Alive; given a changed mind Eph. 4:23; Ezek. 36:26-27 to experientially partake of their Union with Christ.
 

beloved57

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nanja

given a changed mind

Amen, thats exactly what the new life from being born again gives, a change of mind/repentance. The words begotten again in 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

They're the greek anagennaó which means:

I beget again, beget into a new life.; to produce again, beget again, beget anew; metaphorically: τινα, thoroughly to change the mind of one, so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God,

So Jesus gives repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

And what is repentance ? metanoia:

repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

Repentance comes out of being born from above !
 

Nanja

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nanja



Amen, thats exactly what the new life from being born again gives, a change of mind/repentance. The words begotten again in 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

They're the greek anagennaó which means:

I beget again, beget into a new life.; to produce again, beget again, beget anew; metaphorically: τινα, thoroughly to change the mind of one, so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God,

So Jesus gives repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

And what is repentance ? metanoia:

repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

Repentance comes out of being born from above !



Exactly, no other kind of repentance pleases God Rom. 8:8!

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Christ gives Repentance to Israel, His Body the Church [whether Jew or Gentile] by being an Exalted Life giving Spirit, and communicates Life and Repentance to every one of them, which Jesus speaks of here:

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 

beloved57

Well-known member
Exactly, no other kind of repentance pleases God Rom. 8:8!

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Christ gives Repentance to Israel, His Body the Church [whether Jew or Gentile] by being an Exalted Life giving Spirit, and communicates Life and Repentance to every one of them, which Jesus speaks of here:

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Amen Amen !
 

Zeke

Well-known member
Jn 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The greek text reads :

ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ

The greek word avwthen literally is


  1. from above, from a higher place

    So the verse is translated by some as:

    Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."NET

    Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;' YLT

    The emphasis is being born from above, or from a higher place.

    Now exactly where is that ? Here Col 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God

    Yes, being born from above where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God !

    Thats because, every sinner Christ died for, died with Him, and also was risen with Him, and have life with Him from the dead.

    So everyone Christ died for, He rose for and have resurrected life stored up in Him for them, and in due time they are born again [from above] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead as Peter testifies here 1 Pet 1:3

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All sinners Christ died for, put away their sins before God, to them He becomes a life giving Spirit from on the right hand of God 1 Cor 15:45

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    And thats what Jesus means by one must be born again or from above Jn 3:3 !

The risen from sleep Eph 5:14 is the same as birth, resurrection from the dead state of slavery Galatians 4:1. The imagery from the beginning of scripture are shadows cast by dead letters that built the gods of religions waiting for the images to materialize from the parabolic history Psalms 78:2 the rest of the Psalm traces the Exodus of the what? a Parable story just like Paul reveals scripture is symbolic Galatians 4:24, your bowing to images and signs because you are still asleep/dead in the land of imagery, the only God there is, is asleep in you Luke 17:20-21, waiting for you to wake up from the dream like a man sleeping of to much wine Psalm 78:65 and stop top bowing to phantoms/images/gods/theologies outside your kingdom of God.
 

beloved57

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The risen from sleep Eph 5:14 is the same as birth, resurrection from the dead state of slavery Galatians 4:1. The imagery from the beginning of scripture are shadows cast by dead letters that built the gods of religions waiting for the images to materialize from the parabolic history Psalms 78:2 the rest of the Psalm traces the Exodus of the what? a Parable story just like Paul reveals scripture is symbolic Galatians 4:24, your bowing to images and signs because you are still asleep/dead in the land of imagery, the only God there is, is asleep in you Luke 17:20-21, waiting for you to wake up from the dream like a man sleeping of to much wine Psalm 78:65 and stop top bowing to phantoms/images/gods/theologies outside your kingdom of God.

Did you read and understand the op points i made ?
 
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