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I never said it's unnecessary--I'm not the best judge of that. What I'm saying is that what might make it necessary are circumstances where a greater evil needs to be averted, and we humans don't have the knowledge or power to always avoid the lie. That doesn't mean that lying is a good thing...

I think it's very unlikely that what they said to pharaoh was completely true, but are you suggesting that a half truth, when meant to deceive, is less a problem than a whole lie?

It's more on topic than most of this. The thread topic is asking whether God is able to lie. I started it with the idea that He doesn't lie, wondering if it's because He can't, or He won't. I didn't expect anyone to suggest that God actually does lie. Titus 1:2 KJV — In hope of eternal life...

Ok, thanks for the explanation. I understand your point. However, in making your point, you averted addressing @Hoping's point, imo. He said this: after you said this: It's similar to my point about integrity that you discuss more below. If lying isn't sin, and you're saying there needs to be...

Hey, where'd you get the picture of Joe Biden?

@Hoping's sentence was a question, and as long as it was meant as a question, it can't be false or true, but it gets to the whole point of this part of the thread--that if it's ok to lie sometimes, then integrity is out the window. No one can know whether you are lying for a good cause or...

And here all this time you guys were complimenting people on their godliness:

But that's ok, since it was for a righteous cause.

Yes, you're right.

You must mean "objectionably false", since I explained how it could be true, even if my scenario is very unlikely. The text doesn't actually say they lied.

Then somebody counted wrong, as there are supposed to be 7 abominations.

In Jacob's eyes: Genesis 27:19 KJV — And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me. It wasn't Esau. He hadn't gone out for venison, as Isaac asked. It was goat meat. 3...

I suppose that's possible, but with hundreds of thousands of women giving birth over months and maybe years, it's very unlikely they were ALWAYS late to the births. Who would continue to call the midwives at all to come help with the births?

Because the qualifier is so subjective, perhaps. As stated before, if God sends a truthful and an untruthful statement and asks the receiver to choose the truthful statement, it's not the same as lying. Otherwise every teacher that made you take a true/false test would be a liar. This is a...

I don't have time to address all of the new ones in your list, but I will say that I don't think God lied or told Moses lie to Pharaoh in this example. If God hadn't hardened Pharaoh's heart first, and Pharaoh had granted the 3 days without caveats, then God would have found another way for the...

Did Rahab bear false witness? Did the midwives? I think they did. You might have a point if you finish the law statement: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." That presumes that "bearing false witness" is not equal to "lying". Exodus 20:16 KJV - Thou shalt not bear false...

Conscience is likely the right answer, but Lamech knew it was forbidden because of the penalty levied on Cain. Genesis 4:23-24 KJV - And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man...

I thought that's what you were already doing. 😉 I understand you're saying lying isn't always evil, but I've tried to get you and @JudgeRightly to clarify when it isn't. I apologize if the questions went to one or the other of you instead of both, but I think you are both trying to read through...

What law was Cain under that said he shouldn't murder Abel? If no law has been given, did that make murder not a sin? No. Romans 5:13 KJV — (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Even if there is no law against a sin, that doesn't make it not a...

Why would it be necessary to only lie once to be okay? I thought lying wasn't evil? And if not evil, then lying constantly wouldn't even be wrong. You seem inconsistent.