When God saves a sinner, does that sinner become sinlessly perfect?

[PureX]

I think of salvation as an open door. Not one that I have passed through, but one that is still there, available to me, because I sincerely want to embody the divine spirit of love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity within me. And it's a door that closes whenever I become unwilling to embody that divine spirit within.

 

[Hoping]

Jesus, The High priest, makes atonement for sins, not sinners.

There was no Jesus in the OT.
Atonements were conducted by the forerunners of Jesus.

You are wrong about why names are blotted out of the book of life and you are wrong about how names get into the book of life to begin with.

Do you have an alternate reason?

Enoch and Elijah will die before they enter the presence of Jesus in heaven.

I would like to know your reasoning behind that.

Christians should walk in newness of life but if they don't they will be chastened of the Lord.

If they don't, they are not the children of the Lord.
It is written..." Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:9-10)

No Christian can honestly reckon himself dead if he is not dying daily to his selfish desires and not walking with God daily as he should.

If he is still trying to accomplish it himself, he will be able to reckon himself dead.
Let God do it, at water baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:4-6)

 

[Hoping]

I think of salvation as an open door. Not one that I have passed through, but one that is still there, available to me, because I sincerely want to embody the divine spirit of love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity within me. And it's a door that closes whenever I become unwilling to embody that divine spirit within.

Thank God we get the gift of the Holy Ghost after we turn from sin for good, and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
A clean temple, for God's Spirit.

 

[marke]

There was no Jesus in the OT.
Atonements were conducted by the forerunners of Jesus.

Jesus was throughout the OT.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

It is written..." Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:9-10)

I belong to the same group of Christians that God instructed here:

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

If he is still trying to accomplish it himself, he will be able to reckon himself dead.
Let God do it, at water baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:4-6)

Are you reckoning yourself to indeed be baptized? If so, why are you doing that? We reckon ourselves dead by faith, but those who have been baptized do not have to recon themselves baptized by faith because faith is not sight and those who have been baptized in the lake did it in plain sight.

 

[marke]

Thank God we get the gift of the Holy Ghost after we turn from sin for good, and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
A clean temple, for God's Spirit.

I've got some good advice for you:

1 Corinthians 6

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[Hoping]

Jesus was throughout the OT.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

If Jesus was there all along, why did the Jews need priests?

I belong to the same group of Christians that God instructed here:
Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Good, it is good to meet someone else who doesn't commit sin.

Are you reckoning yourself to indeed be baptized?

Yes, once by men, as commanded by Jesus and then Peter too, and once by God.

If so, why are you doing that?

Because Jesus and Peter commanded it.

We reckon ourselves dead by faith,

Me too, with the understanding of how that faith was manifested to begin with.

but those who have been baptized do not have to reckon themselves baptized by faith because faith is not sight and those who have been baptized in the lake did it in plain sight.

Baptized by faith...that is a new one to me.
My faith and belief in the words of the apostles were manifested by my getting water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sins. (Acts 2:38)
By faith my baptism worked just as written of in the bible.
I was "immersed" into Christ and into His death and burial, and then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
Reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)
My sins had been remitted, washed away by the blood of Christ. (1 John 1:7)
My flesh, with the affections and lust had been crucified. (Gal 5:24)
Thanks be to God !!!

 

[Hoping]

I've got some good advice for you:

1 Corinthians 6
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Thank you for the exhortations.
Here is another one from Paul..."And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)

 

[marke]

If Jesus was there all along, why did the Jews need priests?

Jesus is here and yet we have men with different gifts doing Jesus' work on earth today.

Good, it is good to meet someone else who doesn't commit sin.

Yes, once by men, as commanded by Jesus and then Peter too, and once by God.

Because Jesus and Peter commanded it.

Me too, with the understanding of how that faith was manifested to begin with.

Baptized by faith...that is a new one to me.
My faith and belief in the words of the apostles were manifested by my getting water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sins. (Acts 2:38)
By faith my baptism worked just as written of in the bible.
I was "immersed" into Christ and into His death and burial, and then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
Reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)
My sins had been remitted, washed away by the blood of Christ. (1 John 1:7)
My flesh, with the affections and lust had been crucified. (Gal 5:24)
Thanks be to God !!!

Do you reckon yourself to be dead indeed to sin in the same manner you reckon yourself to be indeed baptized? Why must someone reckon himself to be dead to sin if there is no reason it must be believed by faith and not by sight or other evidence? You know you have been baptized. There would be no reason for God to tell you to "reckon yourself indeed to be baptized."

 

[marke]

Thank you for the exhortations.
Here is another one from Paul..."And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)

Good point. Now that we have been saved let us depart from iniquity.

 

[Hoping]

Jesus is here and yet we have men with different gifts doing Jesus' work on earth today.

Yes, but none of their names are called upon at water baptism in the name of our high priest for the remission of past sins.

Do you reckon yourself to be dead indeed to sin in the same manner you reckon yourself to be indeed baptized?

As I reckon myself dead to sin, by my death with the Lord at my "immersion" into Him and into His death and burial, I do indeed reckon myself baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sins
Both were a reality I experienced, to the glory of the Lord.

Why must someone reckon himself to be dead to sin if there is no reason it must be believed by faith and not by sight or other evidence? You know you have been baptized. There would be no reason for God to tell you to "reckon yourself indeed to be baptized."

The reason, is to keep from falling back into the ways of the flesh.
If it is dead, there is no place to go back to.

 

[Hoping]

Good point. Now that we have been saved let us depart from iniquity.

If you don't depart from iniquity you won't be saved.
The day of judgement is coming.

 

[marke]

If you don't depart from iniquity you won't be saved.
The day of judgement is coming.

Noah was saved because God shut him into the ark, not because he held on for dear life to the outside until the floodwaters receded. Likewise, Christians who are born of the Spirit do not need to endure to the end in order to get saved. They will endure to the end because they are saved.

 

[Hoping]

Noah was saved because God shut him into the ark, not because he held on for dear life to the outside until the floodwaters receded. Likewise, Christians who are born of the Spirit do not need to endure to the end in order to get saved. They will endure to the end because they are saved.

Semantics born of truth.
The ones who will be found in the book of life on the day on judgement endured till the end.

 

[marke]

Semantics born of truth.
The ones who will be found in the book of life on the day on judgement endured till the end.

Names are in the Book of Life as a testimony that God loves all sinners. Names are only blotted out when the sinner rejects the clear knowledge of the truth he is clearly given by the Holy Ghost that he clearly understands. Names are not blotted out for the sin of forgetting your wife's birthday or some other serious infraction.

 

[Right Divider]

Noah was saved because God shut him into the ark, not because he held on for dear life to the outside until the floodwaters receded. Likewise, Christians who are born of the Spirit do not need to endure to the end in order to get saved. They will endure to the end because they are saved.

"Endure to the end" is one of the most misunderstood statements in the Bible. It has nothing to do with the body of Christ. It's about the remnant of Israel and the time of Jacob's trouble.

 

[Hoping]

Names are in the Book of Life as a testimony that God loves all sinners. Names are only blotted out when the sinner rejects the clear knowledge of the truth he is clearly given by the Holy Ghost that he clearly understands. Names are not blotted out for the sin of forgetting your wife's birthday or some other serious infraction.

Forgetting a birthday isn't a sin.
Lying and stealing are sins, and reasons to have one's name blotted out of the book of the living.
Sinners are dead in sin.

 

[Hoping]

"Endure to the end" is one of the most misunderstood statements in the Bible. It has nothing to do with the body of Christ. It's about the remnant of Israel and the time of Jacob's trouble.

There you go separating the grafted in branch from the limb again.
If the Gentiles don't endure faithfully until the end of their lives they will end up in the same lake of fire the Jews who fail to endure faithfully till the end of their lives will be cast in to.

 

[Right Divider]

There you go separating the grafted in branch from the limb again.
If the Gentiles don't endure faithfully until the end of their lives they will end up in the same lake of fire the Jews who fail to endure faithfully till the end of their lives will be cast in to.

Note that the scripture NEVER says "endure to the end of their lives".

You are simply regurgitating Churchianity.

 

[Hoping]

Note that the scripture NEVER says "endure to the end of their lives".

You are simply regurgitating Churchianity.

Do you honestly think we are to endure just to the end of the month?

 

[Right Divider]

Do you honestly think we are to endure just to the end of the month?

Read the scripture instead of pretending that it means what it does not mean.
Stop ADDING words to the scripture. That's abominable.