And I can prove that there is cholesterol in steak.
You are constantly evading questions by bring up other issues.
The vaccine is not 100% safe. Nothing is. The demand that it be 100% safe is unreasonable.
Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?
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You are constantly evading questions by bring up other issues.
The vaccine is not 100% safe. Nothing is. The demand that it be 100% safe is unreasonable.
I don't demand that it is safe. I just point out that it is not 100% safe so that if I do not get the vaccine there is 0% chance I will ever be made sick by it.
That's fine- except there is a non-zero risk of you getting sick with COVID, and even infecting others with COVID. You are pretending that the Pandemic isn't real. It is.
I have opposed masking for scientific reasons from the beginning. Those who insist masks are essential for limiting the spread of covid don't know what they are talking about but are swallowing without question the tainted narratives moving them to believe a lie. I did get covid but it did not hurt me bad because of the herd immunity associated with the groups of non-mask-wearing Christians I associate with on a regular basis. I am now more immune from covid than any vaccine can make me. Do you not believe the popular government narratives claiming those with immunity to covid cannot affect others?
You really don't understand at all. You were lucky to not get very sick from your reckless Christian friends. Did you infect anybody? Do you know? Do you care?
I know I supported Trump's efforts to relieve NYC of hospital overcrowding and opposed Cuomo's alternative plan to send infected patients into rest homes to needlessly and criminally kill thousands more needlessly. I grieve for the thousands who lived in fear, isolated themselves, wore masks, and still got covid and died. How tragic. None of my masking-free Christians died from covid although several, like me, got sick and suffered a short period before recovering. Hopefully, if others did get the mild form of covid from fellow Christians they also experienced only a mild form of the disease.
Perhaps you care, but you don't understand anything.
'Herd immunity' doesn't protect an individual the way you apparently think it does. You or one of your "masking-free Christians" could just have easily ended up in the hospital or dead. Or they could have brought the virus home and killed somebody there. Nobody lost a parent or grandparent to COVID in your group?
The science and facts of Covid are tangled up in your head with hate of the leftists.
You believe in Religion of Love. Here's an exercise for you: Try posting about Covid for 1 week without saying bad things about leftists or democrats. Just post about the disease, without the hate.
Exactly right. This is the same line of thinking (correlation does not imply causation) given by the CDC as to why they cannot link the deaths to the vaccine and even if they could link them, its an incredibly tiny percentage that is well below what anyone would consider statistically significant. Meaning that it couldn't be simply the vaccine directly causing the deaths. At the very least there are other factors involved in the very small percentage of the population that are so effected. That, however, is a question that I can guarantee you someone has already thought to ask and is in the process of trying to answer in a controlled and dispassionate scientific manner devoid of the fear based silliness displayed by conspiracy theorists who act like these vaccines are killing people left and right.
Clete
I do not merely make the claim. That are in fact VERY effective. They are actually one of the most effective vaccines that have ever been produced against any disease in the history of medicine. So says the science, not me.
I've never even made such a claim!
There isn't any vaccine that is 100% safe for every person, regardless of their situation or condition. There isn't any such thing as "100% safe". It's not 100% safe to shut the door to your car.
And only an idiot would even try to make the claim that falling COVID-19 numbers were ENTIRELY the result of the vaccines.
The same sort of idiot might try to deny that the fall in COVID-19 numbers had nothing to do with the vaccine.
Not at anywhere near the rate they started to fall after they came out.
I have told a lie from time to time, of course. The difference is that I don't use lies to convince myself and others to be scared of something that is going to rescue not just our society but all of the societies around the entire world from this nightmare that was the fascist response to COVID-19.
Do you plan to use that hideous line of reasoning to defend yourself on judgment day? "Look here, God, You Yourself said that all men are liars and so where's the big surprise that I should lie my bacon off to fellow Christians about a topic I knew next to nothing at all about?!"
Good luck with that!
Clete
Herd immunity didn't have anything whatsoever to do with how light your symptoms were. That isn't what herd immunity does - at all. Herd immunity simply prevents the virus from being able to spread. If 80% of the people are immune then only one if five people can even get the disease to start with and can then only spread it to one in five of those he comes in contact with while contagious. That's all herd immunity is about. It has no effect on the symptoms it produces in those non-imunune persons that it does manage to find.
Also, you have no scientific evidence that you are "now more immune from covid than any vaccine can make you". There just is any science to support such a claim. Not that I've seen anywhere anyway and, of all the people participating in this thread, I'm the one who's actually looked. In fact, if you had it a year ago, you may be far less immune to it than anyone who has received the vaccine. As I've said to you perhaps a dozen times already, the immunity to this virus is almost certainly not permanent. Immunity from other extremely similar corona viruses looks like it lasts for years in some people but the point is that you are making claims that you have no scientific basis for.
Clete
I'm magically vaccinated, and I live in a magic country where nearly all adults have been magically vaccinated. And, magically, COVID has all but disappeared here. About 7 cases a day in a country of ~10million. Covid wards in hospitals have bene closed down. The economy is open. Magic!
The magic is science. The magic is vaccines. They work.
The magic is science. The magic is vaccines. They work.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Fond memories of Organic Chemistry lab extracting cholesterol from freeze dried, ground gallstones
Good people will not believe leftist lies about covid. How is that for saying nothing but good?
Likewise, since deaths from covid were falling before vaccines came out and since most covid deaths were from other causes as well, we can assume that falling death rates are not entirely attributable to the vaccines.
It has been said that waterboarding has prevented countless deaths and that vaccines have also prevented countless deaths. That may be hard to prove but I can agree that is likely true. However, I do not think the US government should force people to take the novel vaccines nor do I believe waterboarding should be mandated by the US government.
Herd immunity is effective, which is why I believe communities that did not take extreme measures to prevent the spread of covid sped up the helpful process of herd immunity. Science cannot prove I am immune from covid after having been infected, but science can also not prove vaccines make people immune from covid, especially since some vaccinated individuals have gotten covid after being vaccinated and some have even died from covid after receiving the vaccination.
'Breakthrough' COVID death: Fully-vaccinated Flossmoor man, 75, dies from virus a month after 2nd vaccine dose
A 75-year-old grandfather of four died from COVID-19 a month after receiving his second vaccine shot in what's being called a "breakthrough" case.
abc7chicago.com
CORONAVIRUS ILLINOIS
'Breakthrough' COVID death: Fully-vaccinated Flossmoor man, 75, dies from virus a month after 2nd vaccine dose
Illinois begins releasing data on 'breakthrough' COVID cases, deaths
By Eric Horng
Wednesday, April 28, 2021
A 75-year-old grandfather of four died from COVID-19 a month after receiving his second vaccine shot in what's being called a "breakthrough" case.
CHICAGO (Whttps://abc7chicago.com/breakthrough-covid-after-vaccine-death-il/10558121/
LS) -- Illinois public health officials began releasing data Wednesday on what it calls "breakthrough" COVID-19 cases, which involve fully-vaccinated people who still get the virus - and sometimes die.
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Somebody else please deal with this well meaning but ignorant individual. I've run out of energy for him.
Vaccines might work with varying levels of effectiveness. Nevertheless, I will not be taking a gene-altering vaccine that was developed using aborted baby body tissues even if it becomes a matter of death or life.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Or you could just let him be
All I said was Fauci should go to jail for enabling Frankenstein scientists to develop the covid virus and then lying about that before Congress.