Who is the Remnant Church?

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steko said:
Right, nowhere in the Bible is the word 'remnant' used to refer to the Church the Body of Christ.
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why be redundant?...

There was also a remnant that survived coming INTO the promised land when this ekklesia was in the wilderness ALREADY a body with HIM as the HEAD...

the SAME survived the First temple demolition...and then of those THIS remnant who waited for Him during second temple...and this SAME remnant that continued after 70 AD...up until today...

Those who are left will trust in the name of the Lord" Zeph 3:12
 
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Right Divider said:
On what basis? The Bible never uses the word "remnant" with reference to the church which is His body (as steko has also pointed out).
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Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Because the Body of Christ does NOT keep the commandments of Yah and do not have the testimony of Jesus Christ...all that being "NOT FOR ME"
 
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clefty said:
Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Because the Body of Christ does NOT keep the commandments of Yah and do not have the testimony of Jesus Christ...all that being "NOT FOR ME"
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You don't keep the commandments when the written Word says don't judge anyone according to a Sabbath day or according to food and drink or you are defiled and have fallen from grace.
 
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steko said:
Right, nowhere in the Bible is the word 'remnant' used to refer to the Church the Body of Christ.
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There were remnant Jews who were alive when Jesus walked the earth and they were the ones Jesus came to first and they received the Holy Spirit first and put in Christ (put in the church put in the body).

No in Christ then no in the body and no in the church then no saved.

If no saved now and when Jesus comes again, then wrath and lake of fire for you.

Even Abraham waited for the day Jesus shed his blood on the cross so that he could be made perfect and holy and go to heaven. AS ALL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT that loved God.
 
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God's Truth said:
There were remnant Jews who were alive when Jesus walked the earth and they were the ones Jesus came to first and they received the Holy Spirit first and put in Christ (put in the church) put in the body).

No in Christ, the body, the church, no saved.

Even Abraham waited for the day Jesus shed his blood on the cross so that he could be made perfect and holy and go to heaven. AS ALL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT that loved God.
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Must you push your nonsense in every thread?
 
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You don't keep the commandments when the written Word says don't judge anyone according to a Sabbath day or according to food and drink or you are defiled and have fallen from grace.
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Actually Paul said exactly that we ARE to judge the LIFESTYLE of the faithful:

“16 Therefore let NO MAN JUDGE YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST.”

You know...works befitting repentance NO LONGER foreigners or strangers but citizens of Israel doing what citizens of Israel do...adopted INTO an obedient BODY...MORE LIKE HIM less than their former selves...grafted into the Sabbath keeping trunk and root...yup since the roots...works prepared before hand...

to stay faithful, persevere, overcome, endure to the end...and watch out for fancy words robbing your reward, or wolves with another gospel another christ...

I mean why would ANYONE judge Greek believers of Jewish Yahushua if they did NOT keep the Sabbath...

I mean Sabbath is for just Jews right?

Or New Moons...they had their own consecutive Julian calendar....

And all those silly “DO NOT EAT” rules? JUST FOR JEWS...and “NOT FOR ME” right?

Why would Jews care if Greeks did NOT keep them...

or other Greeks their Greek countrymen NOT keeping Jewish dietary Laws...LOL
 
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clefty said:
Actually Paul said exactly that we ARE to judge the LIFESTYLE of the faithful:

“16 Therefore let NO MAN JUDGE YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST.”

You know...works befitting repentance NO LONGER foreigners or strangers but citizens of Israel doing what citizens of Israel do...adopted INTO an obedient BODY...MORE LIKE HIM less than their former selves...grafted into the Sabbath keeping trunk and root...yup since the roots...works prepared before hand...

to stay faithful, persevere, overcome, endure to the end...and watch out for fancy words robbing your reward, or wolves with another gospel another christ...

I mean why would ANYONE judge Greek believers of Jewish Yahushua if they did NOT keep the Sabbath...

I mean Sabbath is for just Jews right?
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Because there were still JEWS who practiced the works of the old law.

Because there were Gentiles and Greeks that knew they were SEPARATE from God for not observing the Sabbath, etc.


clefty said:
And all those silly “DO NOT EAT” rules JUST FOR JEWS...and “NOT FOR ME” right?

Why would Jews care if Greeks did NOT keep them...

or other Greeks their Greek countrymen NOT keeping Jewish dietary Laws...LOL
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Because they were ZEALOUS for the old law and wanted to BOAST in the flesh of others and they didn't want their temple taken away.

It says all that as why in the Bible.
 
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Because there were still JEWS who practiced the works of the old law.
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myraids who believed in Yahushua and Paul made a vow to assure them that he despite false witness rumors indeed did observe the Law and taught to do so...

Because there were Gentiles and Greeks that knew they were SEPARATE from God for not observing the Sabbath, etc.
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ummm...right ANY who do NOT follow Him His Ways are seperate from Yah...

is WHY the Jerusalem council had them FOLLOW OT dietary Laws and the Sabbath JUST AS HE DID...and as did those NOT OF JACOB did as well when THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness with Him as the Head...neat eh?





Because they were ZEALOUS for the old law and wanted to BOAST in the flesh of others and they didn't want their temple taken away.

It says all that as why in the Bible.
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Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua did NOT care if non believing Greeks did NOT keep the Sabbaths...or did NOT keep the dietary laws...or New Moons

Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua did NOT care if believing Greeks did NOT keep the Sabbaths....or did NOT keep the dietary laws....or New Moons

Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua would certainly care if believing Greeks DID keep the Sabbaths...as it was theirs...remember the enmity? IS WHY PAUL SAID “LET NO ONE BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST JUDGE YOU IN THE KEEPING OF THE SHADOWS WHICH ARE STILL POINTING TO GOOD THINGS TO COME”

Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua would certainly care if believing Greeks DID keep the dietary Law...those are for Jews and Greeks are NOT Jewish...remember the middle wall of division? IS WHY PAUL WROTE “LET NO ONE BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST JUDGE YOU IN THE KEEPING OF THE SHADOWS WHICH ARE POINTING TO GOOD THINGS TO COME”

Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua would certainly care if believing Greeks kept New Moons “oy vey...you have your own calendar...leave ours alone” so Paul wrote what he did to believers...and COPY ME AS I COPY CHRIST...
 
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Pipiripi said:
Yes, This remnant people today are this one: "Revelation 12:17 and 14:12
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Do you even know who the "woman" in Rev 12 is?

The book of Revelation is all about God and His dealings on the earth with His nation Israel.

The remnant is the remnant of Israel.
 
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clefty said:
myraids who believed in Yahushua and Paul made a vow to assure them that he despite false witness rumors indeed did observe the Law and taught to do so...

ummm...right ANY who do NOT follow Him His Ways are seperate from Yah...
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Making new Christians observe purification works of the law was went against by all the apostles, until Peter and others feared the zealous for the law Jews.

clefty said:
is WHY the Jerusalem council had them FOLLOW OT dietary Laws and the Sabbath JUST AS HE DID...and as did those NOT OF JACOB did as well when THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness with Him as the Head...neat eh?
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You are deceptive, for no law of the old testament was followed. Prove it that the Gentiles were told the exact law to do. If there is any change at all to the original law, then it is NOT the same law.
clefty said:
Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua did NOT care if non believing Greeks did NOT keep the Sabbaths...or did NOT keep the dietary laws...or New Moons

Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua did NOT care if believing Greeks did NOT keep the Sabbaths....or did NOT keep the dietary laws....or New Moons
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Well those Jews wouldn't let them in the earthly temple.

Hello...what is an earthly temple since Jesus? The earthly temple was a meeting place and used by the pharisees and teachers of the law to enforce the old law.

clefty said:
Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua would certainly care if believing Greeks DID keep the dietary Law...those are for Jews and Greeks are NOT Jewish...remember the middle wall of division? IS WHY PAUL WROTE “LET NO ONE BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST JUDGE YOU IN THE KEEPING OF THE SHADOWS WHICH ARE POINTING TO GOOD THINGS TO COME”
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A person has to come through the BODY to receive that grace.

If UNBELIEVING JEWS were around, they did NOT want people to believe in Jesus, and they certainly did not teach their beliefs were a shadow!


clefty said:
Jews who did NOT believe in Yahushua would certainly care if believing Greeks kept New Moons “oy vey...you have your own calendar...leave ours alone” so Paul wrote what he did to believers...and COPY ME AS I COPY CHRIST...
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You say you try to copy buy don't. You are a disqualified loser, according to the Bible. You aren't even playing by Jesus' rules, NEITHER ARE YOU PLAYING BY MOSES' rules, as you claim you do. So sad, for you would be put to death by those who still obeyed Moses to the letter, and you would deserve to be put to death, and you preach it as if it is how you still have life is atrocious.
 
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Right Divider said:
Gee ... what a surprise.... another over-simplification.
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You mock Jesus?

No amount of education, whether academically or seminary, or studies in other languages such as Greek or Hebrew will change God’s Truth, in fact, the word of God says in 1 Corinthians 1:27 “But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Isaiah 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,

Jeremiah 8:9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

1 Corinthians 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
 
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God's Truth said:
You mock Jesus?
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No, I don't -- you false accusing devil.

The entire Bible is MUCH MORE than a story about individual personal salvation.

You are what I would call a "Christian humanist" as that's all that you focus on.

God's glory is FAR GREATER than just saving people from their sins.
 
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