Evil Deeds

[beloved57]

2 John 1:11

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

What are the evil deeds here ? Why its not immorality, drinking and drugs, or stealing, no its false doctrine. Its teachings that dont conform to the teachings, doctrines of Christ. Who He is, what He has accomplished, How He accomplished it, for whom He accomplished it, all according to scripture.

Again, evil deeds here Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

This refers to evil doctrine Matt 16:12 false religion of the jews Rom 10:2-3

Most today dont see false doctrine, and religion as evil deeds.

 

[KerimF]

Evil deeds? I didn't hear of

But, the notion of 'evil' could be seen much like the notion of 'hole' in electricity.
When an electron moves from one atom to another, due to electric field, the empty space behind him is called a 'hole',
Similarly, anything that lacks God's Spirit of Love could be called 'evil'.
Based on this analogy, an evil deed could be seen as a deed that lacks true love.

 

[beloved57]

Evil deeds? I didn't hear of

But, the notion of 'evil' could be seen much like the notion of 'hole' in electricity.
When an electron moves from one atom to another, due to electric field, the empty space behind him is called a 'hole',
Similarly, anything that lacks God's Spirit of Love could be called 'evil'.
Based on this analogy, an evil deed could be seen as a deed that lacks true love.

Did you understand my point ?

 

[KerimF]

Did you understand my point ?

If I understood your point, I wouldn't write a comment on how I understood Jesus in {John 3:19}

 

[beloved57]

If I understood your point, I wouldn't write a comment on how I understood Jesus in {John 3:19}

Do you want to discuss what I posted ?

 

[Nanja]

2 John 1:11

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

What are the evil deeds here ? Why its not immorality, drinking and drugs, or stealing, no its false doctrine. Its teachings that dont conform to the teachings, doctrines of Christ. Who He is, what He has accomplished, How He accomplished it, for whom He accomplished it, all according to scripture.

Again, evil deeds here Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

This refers to evil doctrine Matt 16:12 false religion of the jews Rom 10:2-3

Most today dont see false doctrine, and religion as evil deeds.

Exactly Brother, evil deeds in 2 John 1:11 refers to false religion and a false christ: doctrines of the minds of man.

For instance, those who teach that God loves and died for all men without exception; and yet not all men will be saved,
but shall partake of the second death Rev. 21:8:

That's an evil deed, for it makes the Blood of Christ of no effect !

 

[beloved57]

Exactly Brother, evil deeds in 2 John 1:11 refers to false religion and a false christ: doctrines of the minds of man.

For instance, those who teach that God loves and died for all men without exception; and yet not all men will be saved,
but shall partake of the second death Rev. 31:8:

That's an evil deed, for it makes the Blood of Christ of no effect !

I definitively agree Sister !

 

[KerimF]

Do you want to discuss what I posted ?

I guess it is related to Calvinism (you mentioned in your signature) which I am not familiar to.

By the way, I am new here (TOL), so you may be surprised that I knew/know Jesus based on reason only, not faith.
Even in my scientific studies, I don't/can't add an idea to my set of knowledge if it doesn't pass the logical reasoning on which all previous ones, I accepted, are based.
To my big surprise, I found out that the teachings of Jesus only (not the entire Bible) reflect clearly all what I have discovered about my being and the world as it is in reality (on the ground).
Only my Creator can know in advance about me and the real world; "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine".

But I also understand that almost all believers around the world (not necessarily Christians) are supposed to have a certain faith (different from one religion/sect to another) with the hope they will be saved (also into different afterlife realms). And each believer is sure that he is on the right path that leads to his God, his God's Realm.

So let us start talking about your point... if you don't mind

 

[beloved57]

I guess it is related to Calvinism (you mentioned in your signature) which I am not familiar to.

By the way, I am new here (TOL), so you may be surprised that I knew/know Jesus based on reason only, not faith.
Even in my scientific studies, I don't/can't add an idea to my set of knowledge if it doesn't pass the logical reasoning on which all previous ones, I accepted, are based.
To my big surprise, I found out that the teachings of Jesus only (not the entire Bible) reflect clearly all what I have discovered about my being and the world as it is in reality (on the ground).
Only my Creator can know in advance about me and the real world; "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine".

But I also understand that almost all believers around the world (not necessarily Christians) are supposed to have a certain faith (different from one religion/sect to another) with the hope they will be saved (also into different afterlife realms). And each believer is sure that he is on the right path that leads to his God, his God's Realm.

So let us start talking about your point... if you don't mind

Did you understand my point ?

 

[Bradley D]

2 John 1:11

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

What are the evil deeds here ?

"…If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds." (2 John 1:10-11).

The evil is having anything to do with people who brings false doctrine/teaching of Christ.

 

[beloved57]

"…If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds." (2 John 1:10-11).

The evil is having anything to do with people who brings false doctrine/teaching of Christ.

Yes. Wonder if they are very moral and religious ?

 

[Bradley D]

Yes. Wonder if they are very moral and religious ?

I would believe not. Though they may be trying cover up the evil deed with a lie.

 

[Nanja]

2 John 1:11

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

What are the evil deeds here ? Why its not immorality, drinking and drugs, or stealing, no its false doctrine. Its teachings that dont conform to the teachings, doctrines of Christ. Who He is, what He has accomplished, How He accomplished it, for whom He accomplished it, all according to scripture.

Again, evil deeds here Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

This refers to evil doctrine Matt 16:12 false religion of the jews Rom 10:2-3

Most today dont see false doctrine, and religion as evil deeds.

Amen Brother ! Also, if I may add , and as you most surely know, evil deeds point to works related religions of men; self righteousness gained by performing works of the flesh; something they do or perform, but hate God's narrow way of Salvation, which is exclusively in, by, and through Christ alone John 14:6.

Matt. 7:13-14

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

That's Evil deeds !

All of today's churches and religious institutions are false, and filled with religious people with false doctrines.

They believe that Christ's death isn't effective in saving anyone unless they perform the ascribed works or duties:

that the effectiveness of Christ's blood is dependent on the cooperation of man.

That's Evil deeds !


2 Cor. 11:13-15

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[beloved57]

I would believe not. Though they may be trying cover up the evil deed with a lie.

Many false religious followers are very moral. See the evil deeds are their Christ dishonoring doctrines.

 

[beloved57]

Amen Brother ! Also, if I may add , and as you most surely know, evil deeds point to works related religions of men; self righteousness gained by performing works of the flesh; something they do or perform, but hate God's narrow way of Salvation, which is exclusively in, by, and through Christ alone John 14:6.

Matt. 7:13-14

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

That's Evil deeds !

All of today's churches and religious institutions are false, and filled with religious people with false doctrines.

They believe that Christ's death isn't effective in saving anyone unless they perform the ascribed works or duties:

that the effectiveness of Christ's blood is dependent on the cooperation of man.

That's Evil deeds !


2 Cor. 11:13-16

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Bingo Sister, very well said !

 

[Nanja]

Bingo Sister, very well said !

Bless you Brother !

 

[KerimF]

I think I got the point of this thread.

For example, if an independent person loves his enemies, as Jesus says, he follows a false doctrine. (Note: if he is not independent, he would be a traitor).

But perhaps, I missed something.

 

[beloved57]

I think I got the point of this thread.

For example, if an independent person loves his enemies, as Jesus says, he follows a false doctrine. (Note: if he is not independent, he would be a traitor).

But perhaps, I missed something.

You way off, so dont even worry about it.

 

[KerimF]

You way off, so dont even worry about it.

Anyway, I am glad you don't see your belief as another false man-made doctrine.

By the way, during my rather long life, I used hearing people who were sure that most humans in the world have been brainwashed. But I never met or knew 'even one person' who was able to notice that he might be brainwashed while he can see it very well in others. Isn't it a dilemma?

But, we like it or not, this is how the world is created.

 

[thborn]

Many false religious followers are very moral. See the evil deeds are their Christ dishonoring doctrines.

Yes, this is true. Whether one does evil deeds like lying or stealing or violent abuse or whether one does evil deeds such as idolatry and spreading false doctrine...it is all sin. Some who spread false doctrine are also violent, sexually immoral, and etc., and some not so much. But it is all still sin.

All of us should be aware that those who are not following Christ do good deeds...out of selfishness or out of some incomplete knowledge of God. As Jesus said, even the pagans love their families. But these things can't save them....the only thing that saves is God's grace that leads to faith and a new self and a full love for others.

Even non-Christians have expressed the idea that much of what we think of as good deeds...altruism and charity...are based on human instincts and the reward of that warm feeling spreading through oneself. Often we help others because, at least subconciously, we expect something in return, or we want to feel that warm feeling. This is somewhat selfish, an incomplete understanding of love. So many non-Christians or those who think they are true Christians do good deeds out of this instinct rather than doing it especially for God. That can't save anybody. God's love is very far above human understanding but God enables us and commands us to act in it.

I am not yet sure about the true doctrine in every particular...and there may be tensions we can't resolve in this life...but let's try to honor God in every way as we consider what doctrine accords Him the highest glory in terms of power and love.