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  • #91
    Originally posted by Ardima View Post
    What you are saying here is that those listed above never needed Jesus Christ? Too bad, I was hoping to meet them in the age to come...
    I have nothing more to say to you.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
      I have nothing more to say to you.
      The bottom line is you preach a works salvation (do not deny it; we have the admission in black and white above) and in order for you to try to justify your humanistic doctrine you cannot face the truth that man is condemned from birth. All need Jesus, for all need His righteousness to be justified (made righteous) before God the father. Our own deeds of righteousness are as filthy rags before the eyes of a Holy God.
      Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Ardima View Post
        The bottom line is you preach a works salvation (do not deny it; we have the admission in black and white above) and in order for you to try to justify your humanistic doctrine you cannot face the truth that man is condemned from birth. All need Jesus, for all need His righteousness to be justified (made righteous) before God the father. Our own deeds of righteousness are as filthy rags before the eyes of a Holy God.
        Bottom line is, you are a liar. The Truth is not in you __ Calvin is your god.
        "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
          Bottom line is, you are a liar. The Truth is not in you __ Calvin is your god.
          You presume that I follow Calvin? No, he was a man who believed in a limitation of the atonement of Christ. If you think I am a Calvinist you need to read everything that I have written again. Did he have some of it right? Yes, everyone has something right. Even a broken clock it right twice a day. All in Adam; all in Christ. Calvin couldn't see that.
          Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Ardima View Post
            You presume that I follow Calvin? No, he was a man who believed in a limitation of the atonement of Christ. If you think I am a Calvinist you need to read everything that I have written again. Did he have some of it right? Yes, everyone has something right. Even a broken clock it right twice a day. All in Adam; all in Christ. Calvin couldn't see that.
            You haven't written anything worth reading. The smell on you is Calvin mixed with other heresy that has "destroyed", as in "annihilated", your sensibilities.
            "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
              You haven't written anything worth reading.
              Because the Truth of Scripture isn't worth reading... Well noted.
              Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Ardima View Post
                Because the Truth of Scripture isn't worth reading... Well noted.
                Tragic you should claim to have written scripture when you have merely re-written it to make it say what it doesn't.
                "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                  Tragic you should claim to have written scripture when you have merely re-written it to make it say what it doesn't.
                  Writing the Truth of scripture is in no way writing scripture. Tragic that you cannot wrap your head around the Truth of Scripture. No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope.
                  Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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                  • #99
                    To believe that men and women Jesus Christ died for, was condemned to death for them, to believe that they are yet born in this word condemned by God for any reason, totally disregards the effect His Death had upon God's Law and Justice, that it was not enough to do away with their condemnation !
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

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                    • Originally posted by Ardima View Post
                      Writing the Truth of scripture is in no way writing scripture. Tragic that you cannot wrap your head around the Truth of Scripture. No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope.
                      Tragic you can't even fess up to what you say in your replies that, by your words, contradict you. [Musing] <a most unstable person this one, full of himself>
                      "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                      • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                        Tragic you can't even fess up to what you say in your replies that, by your words, contradict you. [Musing] <a most unstable person this one, full of himself>
                        Just remember the beam and the mote....
                        Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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                        • Originally posted by Ardima View Post
                          Just remember the beam and the mote....
                          Why? You have no 'eyes'. It is your mind that is messed up.
                          "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                          • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                            Why? You have no 'eyes'. It is your mind that is messed up.
                            I apologize for the lack of edification on my part. I see now that I should have saken the dust off my feet after your first couple of responses.
                            Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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                            • Originally posted by Ardima View Post
                              I apologize for the lack of edification on my part. I see now that I should have saken the dust off my feet after your first couple of responses.
                              You should have first, bitten your tongue ___ many times.
                              "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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