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  • #46
    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So? Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to reign from the throne of David?
    You have issues with your timeline. Work that out and your problems go away.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      You have issues with your timeline. Work that out and your problems go away.
      You have issues with Paul's words at 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and that explains why you evade answering my simple question.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
        You have issues with Paul's words at 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and that explains why you evade answering my simple question.
        No, I have no problem with any scripture.

        Your Bible blending destroys the distinction between God's plans that will come together in the dispensation of the fullness of times and not sooner.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
          Your Bible blending destroys the distinction between God's plans that will come together in the dispensation of the fullness of times and not sooner.
          Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will return to the earth with the Lord Jesus to reign on the earth sometime after the rapture?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
            Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will return to the earth with the Lord Jesus to reign on the earth sometime after the rapture?
            I believe the Bible when it says that we will always be with the Lord. I do not know exactly what that means with respect to the earthly kingdom.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
              I believe the Bible when it says that we will always be with the Lord. I do not know exactly what that means with respect to the earthly kingdom.
              Will you admit that the Lord Jesus' words about being for ever with Him could mean that those caught up will return to the earth with Him when He will reign from the throne of David?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                Will you admit that the Lord Jesus' words about being for ever with Him could mean that those caught up will return to the earth with Him when He will reign from the throne of David?
                Could be... it doesn't say. I prefer not to speculate.
                All of my ancestors are human.
                Originally posted by Squeaky
                That explains why your an idiot.
                Originally posted by God's Truth
                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  Could be... it doesn't say. I prefer not to speculate.
                  In order to understand Paul's words correctly the context must be examinied closely:

                  "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:17).

                  Paul is speaking about the time when the believer will be in the "presence" of the Lord Jesus' body at the rapture. Before the rapture the believer on the earth will not be in the presence of His body but at the rapture he will. That is the context so when Paul says "so shall we ever be with the Lord" after speaking about becoming in the presence of His body the meaning is clear--from that time on those in the Body of Christ will always be in the presence of the body of the Lord Jesus.

                  There is absolutely no reason to suppose that this is not the correct understanding of Paul's words in this verse.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

                    Prove it!
                    Hi Jerry , and where do you see the B O C IN THE OT and is it found in the 4 GOSPELS ?

                    So who was the first person to ENTER THE BODY OF CHRIST ?

                    That is when the B O C BEGAN and not until then !

                    So Jerry who was THE FIRST PROTO /FIRST in the B O C ?

                    It has to the FIRST person saved by GRACE , ??

                    dan p

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

                      Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will return to the earth with the Lord Jesus to reign on the earth sometime after the rapture?
                      Hi Jerry and Eph 1:11 says that we have an INHERITANCE , so where is that INHERITANCE TO BE FOUND ?

                      See Eph 1:18 says that our INHERITANCE is in the HOLY PLACES ! So where are the HOLY PLACES ?

                      Col 1:12 says what the HOLY PLACES are found !

                      Israel's INHERITANCE is in the land of Israel >

                      dan p

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DAN P View Post

                        Hi Jerry and Eph 1:11 says that we have an INHERITANCE , so where is that INHERITANCE TO BE FOUND ?

                        See Eph 1:18 says that our INHERITANCE is in the HOLY PLACES ! So where are the HOLY PLACES ?

                        Col 1:12 says what the HOLY PLACES are found !

                        Israel's INHERITANCE is in the land of Israel >
                        The nation of Israel will inherit the earth but now they have been temporarily set aside. However, the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation are told that they have an heavenly calling:

                        "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus" (Heb.3:1).


                        Just like all of the rest of the members of the Body of Christ they have been raised up to the heavenly Jerusalem and to Jesus Christ:

                        "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel" (Heb.12:22-24).


                        That is exactly the same inheritance of the rest of the Body of Christ:

                        "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved). And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).


                        Dan, you confuse the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation with the Jews who will be alive when Israel will be restored to her position as a special people unto the LORD (Deut.7:6).


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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

                          The nation of Israel will inherit the earth but now they have been temporarily set aside. However, the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation are told that they have an heavenly calling:

                          "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus" (Heb.3:1).


                          Just like all of the rest of the members of the Body of Christ they have been raised up to the heavenly Jerusalem and to Jesus Christ:

                          "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel" (Heb.12:22-24).


                          That is exactly the same inheritance of the rest of the Body of Christ:

                          "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved). And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).


                          Dan, you confuse the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation with the Jews who will be alive when Israel will be restored to her position as a special people unto the LORD (Deut.7:6).

                          Hi Jerry and as Heb 8:8 says Christ will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and the house of Judah !

                          The B O C has no COVENANT and the New Covenant is found in Eze 36:25-38 and the B O C IS NOT MENTIONED !

                          dan p

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

                            The nation of Israel will inherit the earth but now they have been temporarily set aside. However, the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation are told that they have an heavenly calling:

                            "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus" (Heb.3:1).


                            Just like all of the rest of the members of the Body of Christ they have been raised up to the heavenly Jerusalem and to Jesus Christ:

                            "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel" (Heb.12:22-24).


                            That is exactly the same inheritance of the rest of the Body of Christ:

                            "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved). And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).


                            Dan, you confuse the individual Jewish believers during the present dispensation with the Jews who will be alive when Israel will be restored to her position as a special people unto the LORD (Deut.7:6).

                            Hi Jerry and the " in CHRIST " IS only written by Paul and NOT by the Twelve !

                            dan p

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                            • #59
                              Dan

                              So who was the first person to ENTER THE BODY OF CHRIST ?
                              Who was the first believer in Christ?
                              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                              Charles Spurgeon !

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DAN P View Post

                                Hi Jerry and the " in CHRIST " IS only written by Paul and NOT by the Twelve !

                                dan p
                                Hi Dan and you are mistaken:

                                "Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus." (1 Pet.5:14).

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