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  • #31
    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So please clear up the point of confusion if you are able. How does a person come to become "in Christ"?
    grafted in

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      It depends on the dispensation.
      So what did it take for the Jews like Andronicus and Junia (Ro.16:7) to be "in Christ"? Were they not saved by grace apart from works?:

      "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).

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      • #33
        Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
        grafted in

        Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
        So just as a person is grafted "into Christ" that same person can be broken off from being in Christ?:

        Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
          So just as a person is grafted "into Christ" that same person can be broken off from being in Christ?:

          Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
          no

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          • #35
            Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
            no
            So you quote your verse to prove that some were grafted into Christ but then you want us to ignore the part which demonstrate that some can be broken off of Christ:


            Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
              So you quote your verse to prove that some were grafted into Christ but

              Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
              yes

              then you want us to ignore the part which demonstrate that some can be broken off of Christ:
              the unbelieving branches were broken off , Rom 11:20

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              • #37
                Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                yes

                the unbelieving branches were broken off
                This is what the Lord Jesus said to people like Andronicus and Junia, who Paul said were "in Christ" before he was (Ro.16:7):

                "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"
                (Jn.6:37).

                According to your ideas there were some who were "in Christ" but later because of unbelief they were cast out of Christ even though the Savior Himself said that those who come to Him will not be cast out!

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                • #38
                  According to your ideas there were some who were "in Christ" but later because of unbelief they were cast out of Christ even though the Savior Himself said that those who come to Him will not be cast out!
                  no.

                  different branches same root.
                  Jesus Christ did not change , the dispensation did .


                  Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

                  Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
                  Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
                  Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                    no.

                    different branches same root.
                    So some can be "in Christ" but later no longer be "in Christ"?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                      So some can be "in Christ" but later no longer be "in Christ"?

                      no.


                      Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

                      Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
                      Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
                      Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

                      Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                        no.


                        Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

                        Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
                        Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
                        Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

                        Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
                        So being in the Olive Tree is not the same as being "in Christ"?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                          So being in the Olive Tree is not the same as being "in Christ"?
                          No, it is not. The olive tree is about service to God.

                          JS, are you unaware of God's two-fold plans for the heavens and the earth?
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                            JS, are you unaware of God's two-fold plans for the heavens and the earth?
                            When the Lord Jesus returns to reign in His earthly kingdom will those in the Body of Christ not be with Him since they are promised that from the point of time beginning at the rapture they will for ever be with Him?:
                            "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.1:17).

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                              When the Lord Jesus returns to reign in His earthly kingdom will those in the Body of Christ not be with Him since they are promised that from the point of time beginning at the rapture they will for ever be with Him?:
                              "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.1:17).
                              The body of Christ will not be present on earth from the time of the catching away through the time of Jacob's trouble.

                              Eventually all things be be brought together in Christ.That is in the future.

                              Eph 1:10 KJV That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

                              We are NOT in the dispensation of the fullness of times.
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                                Eventually all things be be brought together in Christ.That is in the future.
                                So? Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to reign from the throne of David?

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