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  • #31
    Originally posted by Clete View Post
    I don't even understand what real difference it makes. What do Acts 28 people believe different than I do other than the distinction between Acts 9 and Acts 28?

    Mostly it seems they want to make a big deal about water baptism and/or Communion observances and that kind of thing and mostly all they seem to accomplish is to turn the Gospel of Grace into a list of Thou shalt nots. Thou shalt not get water baptized, though shalt not take communion - ever, etc.

    And even the ones that make an effort not to do that feel to me like they're still just straining out gnats to swallow camels. It just makes things way too complicated.

    Besides, if Paul was the first in the Body of Christ and he entered that Body in Acts 9 then how does that not settle the debate? I don't get it.

    Resting in Him,
    Clete

    I don't get it either. What I really don't get is the MADist at TOL being called Acts 28rs.

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    • #32
      I'm not sure it's a big deal either.
      But I do want the info on all the views.

      We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
      They already know monsters exist.
      We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Danoh View Post
        Yo, Clete; here is a study of the Acts 28 Position from a Mid-Acts Perspective...

        He does a pretty good job of contrasting the main differences between what he understands as A9D and what the 28er understands as A28D.

        http://www.tcmusa.org/publications/h...ure/ACTS28.pdf

        Personally, they are brothers and sisters in the Lord.
        I liked this statement in the link:

        the view does not bring answers, it just throws away the problems

        We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
        They already know monsters exist.
        We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
          I don't get it either. What I really don't get is the MADist at TOL being called Acts 28rs.
          Who calls us that?
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          "The [open view] is an attempt to provide a more Biblically faithful, rationally coherent, and practically satisfying account of God and the divine-human relationship..." - Dr. John Sanders

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Clete View Post
            Who calls us that?
            Not you; and what was said was meant as a ribbing.

            What was said was you "ALMOST 28ers, lol"

            Which is not the same as saying someone " is a 28er."

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            • #36
              Thanks for the clarification.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tambora View Post
                I liked this statement in the link:

                the view does not bring answers, it just throws away the problems
                In other words, rather than actually solving for the seeming problems the 28ers sees in Acts as to Paul's ministry, the 28er ends up ignoring them by coming up with solutions that are actually not solutions at all.

                The 28er arrives at these supposed solutions by way of an oversimplification of the passages.

                At the same time, it is the extreme to which he ends up taking his oversimplifications that ends him up a 28er.

                Charles Welch is its origin - the man simply concluded on some things too soon in the process of induction of information towards forming a working premise; deduction from said working premise to a conclusion; assertion from said conclusion.

                During his induction or information gathering; he ended up isolating some words and passages from the whole, and as a result, ended up at a working premise formed out of distinctions that are not really there.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
                  Thanks for the clarification.
                  LOL!

                  Welcome to the mad, mad world of TOL MADs

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ClimateSanity View Post
                    Thanks for the clarification.
                    I made that clear before, and all you had to do is what you have done at other times - ask me.

                    Though the distinction was there all along - the the word 'almost' not only in caps, but followed by a

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