Hi and why not comment on Heb 9:15 ?
Non-Pauline people always refuse to answer !!
Have a good time and never learn !!
dan p
Theology Club: Did the Body of Christ Began at Acts 9?
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Hi and why not comment on Heb 9:15 ?
Non-Pauline people always refuse to answer !!
Have a good time and never learn !!
dan p
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How does the Spirit talk to you? Do you have voices in your head?
achduke
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I talk to God in prayer and I hear the Spirit of God through feelings, dreams, scriptures and an occasional word in my head.
How do you talk to the Spirit and hear the Spirit?
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How do you know that those "feelings" and "dreams" are from God and not the other guy?
LoneStar
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Good question. Even some in the OT asked for proof that it was God speaking to them. So even hearing the voice of God was not always enough to satisfy that it was indeed God speaking to them.
achduke
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Not sure what the problem is with Hebrews 9:15. Christ took a way the curse of the law. Does that mean we are still to sin?
The new covenant is covered by Jeremiah, Ezekiel and other prophets.
Now we have the Spirit to lead us to follow the commandments of God.
achduke
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Because I test the spirit to see if it lines up with Scripture. Some of the dreams I have are of the future. Others are the Holy Spirit telling me to ask for forgiveness for others I have wronged.
Hi and we are reading the same book ?
It says for the REDEMPTIONS of the SINS or Transgressions UNDER the the FIRST TESTAMENT which is FIRST COVENANT !!:chuckle::chuckle:
dan p
achduke
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What point are you trying to make? Once the first covenant has passed we are given the Holy Spirit to lead us not to sin.
Thats just you thinking, feeling, or what have you, and then immediately concluding "the Spirit is telling me this..." that, the other...
Believers are either raised to right off take their own inner dialogue as "the Spirit," or pick it up later in life when they become Believers and are exposed to other Believers asserting this to be the case.
Budhhists say "it is the Budhha," Muslims say "it is Allah," and likewise do all others easily "carried awat by dumb idols," 1 Cor. 12:2.
But that is not how the Spirit leads - not if the Bible is to be believed as to its instruction on this issue.
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achduke
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That is your opinion but I see no scripture refuting anything. My belief is my belief and your belief is your belief.
Col 1:24-28
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
1 Cor 15:8
I would say no. it seems as though the BOC began in Acts 2 see verses 38-41.
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And you say with the salvation of Paul?
If you are really serious about an answer, read this:
https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/did-the-church-begin-with-pentecost-of-acts-two/
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I know that many people here on TOL vehemently disagree with MAD, but the scripture is clear that a change came with Paul.
No one before Paul preached the cross as good news.
I've shown this to many and they say things like "Well, Peter 'mentioned' it (the cross) in Acts 2". Indeed he did, but NOT as good news. There was other good news that he preached there, but NOT the cross and Christ's dead for sin.
In Acts six, there is the mention of ONE Gentile and it is shown that he is a proselyte. There is NO such thing as a proselyte in the body of Christ.
Those who hold to Pauline doctrine say yes. Those who hold to Petrine doctrine say Acts 2.
Good points, irrefutable