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  • Theology Club: The Olive Tree

    "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (Ro.11:17).

    The "Olive Tree" does not represent the Church, which is His Body. Neither does it represent Israel. Instead, it represents the "service" of believers under the Abrahamic Covenant. The Olive Tree analogy is in regard to "bearing fruit", or "service". At the time when the nation of Israel was bearing fruit the Lord called them an Olive Tree:
    "The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, [and] of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken" (Jer.11:16).

    The Olive Tree was an important tree for the Israelites because it was a source of food and light for them. For hundreds of years the olive was eaten as a staple food and olive oil has been used for cooking and in lamps for light. The oil of the olive was also used for anointing in religious ceremonies.

    Israel remained an Olive Tree as long as that nation continued under the Abrahamic covenant in her duty to serve the Lord:
    "The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve Him without fear in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life" (Lk.1:73-75).

    By serving Him the nation was to be the "light of the world". The Lord Jesus told that nation:
    "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid....Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Mt.5:14,16).

    Since that nation crucified the Lord Jesus and later persecuted His disciples most of the Jews were "broken off" from serving Him. The Jews were the "natural" branches of the Olive Tree since they were the natural descendants of Abraham:
    "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee" (Ro.11:20,21).

    The Gentile believers are described as branches from the "wild Olive Tree":
    "For if thou were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree" (Ro.11:24).

    The Gentile believers are described in this way because Abraham is not their "natural" father but instead he is their father because they "walk in the steps of that faith" of Abraham:
    "And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised" (Ro.4:12).

    So now both the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers are the branches of the Olive Tree:
    "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (Ro.11:17).

    Again, the Olive Tree represents "service for the Lord" or "fruit bearing for the Lord."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The "Olive Tree" does not represent the Church, which is His Body. Neither does it represent Israel.
    16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

    17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
    Originally posted by Interplanner
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Originally posted by Interplanner
    You're too literal to get it.
    Originally posted by Interplanner
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
      16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

      17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
      Yep! You beat me to it!
      2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by heir View Post
        Yep! You beat me to it!
        He quoted verse 16, but I did not see 17.
        It is obviously Israel.
        Originally posted by Interplanner
        They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
        Originally posted by Interplanner
        You're too literal to get it.
        Originally posted by Interplanner
        The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post



          "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree" (Ro.11:17).

          Again, the Olive Tree represents "service for the Lord" or "fruit bearing for the Lord."

          does Paul say he is speaking of Gentiles ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
            does Paul say he is speaking of Gentiles ?
            Romans 11:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
              16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

              17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
              Israel was called the Olive Tree when producing fruit for the Lord. But when she stopped bearing fruit the Lord pronounced evil upon her, meaning that she was no longer His Olive Tree.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                Israel was called the Olive Tree when producing fruit for the Lord. But when she stopped bearing fruit the Lord pronounced evil upon her, meaning that she was no longer His Olive Tree.
                But it was still referring to Israel.
                Originally posted by Interplanner
                They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                Originally posted by Interplanner
                You're too literal to get it.
                Originally posted by Interplanner
                The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                  does Paul say he is speaking of Gentiles ?
                  Who do you think he is referring to when he speaks of the branches from the wild olive tree?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
                    But it was still referring to Israel.
                    That nation was "called" the Olive Tree at one time because she was bearing fruit for the Lord.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                      That nation was "called" the Olive Tree at one time because she was bearing fruit for the Lord.
                      No other entity was ever called the Olive Tree.

                      We should not assume it was anything other than Israel in Romans 11.
                      Originally posted by Interplanner
                      They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                      Originally posted by Interplanner
                      You're too literal to get it.
                      Originally posted by Interplanner
                      The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
                        He quoted verse 16, but I did not see 17.
                        It is obviously Israel.
                        Does a husbandman destroy his own Olive Tree?
                        "The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, [and] of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken" (Jer.11:16).

                        She was no longer called an Olive Tree because she was no longer bearing any fruit.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
                          No other entity was ever called the Olive Tree.

                          We should not assume it was anything other than Israel in Romans 11.
                          So are you saying that all those belonging to the church at Rome were grafted into Israel?

                          Did the branches from the wild Olive Tree become Israelites?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                            So are you saying that all those belonging to the church at Rome were grafted into Israel?

                            Did the branches from the wild Olive Tree become Israelites?
                            The Gentiles to whom Paul said, "Behold thou art called a Jew", I see as being in the Olive Tree.
                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            You're too literal to get it.
                            Originally posted by Interplanner
                            The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                              Who do you think he is referring to when he speaks of the branches from the wild olive tree?
                              the Jews who were cut off for unbelief ?

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