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  • #61
    Originally posted by Nick M View Post
    It does not. The Lord Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, lived a perefect life your place. He was crucified for your sin, and raised for you. You were reconciled back to God by his death, and receive is life when you believe. The message does not change.

    Paul went to Jews first, and preached the same to the gentiles. You claim there was a barracade around the ministry, and have not said why. Because you are false.
    Exactly. There is one gospel preached to Jews, Gentiles, Muslims, atheists, Mormons, etc. You are the one with a specious two gospel theory for a limited time/group (not found in Scripture). My point of contextualizing the gospel does stand and if you deny that you have no clue about missions and evangelism.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post


      It means exactly what it says.

      However, we can see by Acts 10 that there was a time frame for going to Israel first and then to Gentiles, else Peter would not have needed prompting from God to go ahead and accept the invitation from Cornelius and go to his home and lead them to receive Christ.


      Wait, so you're arguing that they weren't ever meant to go to Gentiles?


      According to the lexicon I used it means any number of things, and in this instance it was translated as "nations."

      Why do you argue that it doesn't mean "all nations"?

      And , I gave you one example !! Did not read it ??

      ETHNOS , can be translated by Gentiles, Nation , race , Heathen and also by Jewish Nation !!

      I have just posted what I see in Matt 28:19 and 20 !!

      dan p

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      • #63
        Originally posted by DAN P View Post
        And , I gave you one example !! Did not read it ??

        ETHNOS , can be translated by Gentiles, Nation , race , Heathen and also by Jewish Nation !!

        I have just posted what I see in Matt 28:19 and 20 !!

        dan p
        Ignoring the scatterbrained format of the above I will say that I did read the OP of the thread you started on the subject.

        I agree wholeheartedly that Jesus was telling the 12 to teach the commandments. That's not the issue here. The issue is that while the 12 were commanded thus, Paul was not; the 12 were sent to baptize, Paul was not. These are things upon which you and I agree.

        My argument with godrulz hinges on his denial that Paul was given a different message, etc. when it is clear that Paul was commanded to preach and do things differently than the 12.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
          Ignoring the scatterbrained format of the above I will say that I did read the OP of the thread you started on the subject.

          I agree wholeheartedly that Jesus was telling the 12 to teach the commandments. That's not the issue here. The issue is that while the 12 were commanded thus, Paul was not; the 12 were sent to baptize, Paul was not. These are things upon which you and I agree.

          My argument with godrulz hinges on his denial that Paul was given a different message, etc. when it is clear that Paul was commanded to preach and do things differently than the 12.
          And it is a message that godrulz needs to rethink.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by DAN P View Post
            And , I gave you one example !! Did not read it ??

            ETHNOS , can be translated by Gentiles, Nation , race , Heathen and also by Jewish Nation !!

            I have just posted what I see in Matt 28:19 and 20 !!

            dan p
            Words have a semantical range of meaning. The translators were right to go with nations, not Jews, etc. based on context, etc. Change your view to match the Bible, not the other way around.
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            They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
            I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
              Ignoring the scatterbrained format of the above I will say that I did read the OP of the thread you started on the subject.

              I agree wholeheartedly that Jesus was telling the 12 to teach the commandments. That's not the issue here. The issue is that while the 12 were commanded thus, Paul was not; the 12 were sent to baptize, Paul was not. These are things upon which you and I agree.

              My argument with godrulz hinges on his denial that Paul was given a different message, etc. when it is clear that Paul was commanded to preach and do things differently than the 12.
              My beef is with post-cross issues, not early Gospels vs Acts 2 ff.
              Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

              They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
              I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

              Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

              "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

              The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                Ignoring the scatterbrained format of the above I will say that I did read the OP of the thread you started on the subject.

                I agree wholeheartedly that Jesus was telling the 12 to teach the commandments. That's not the issue here. The issue is that while the 12 were commanded thus, Paul was not; the 12 were sent to baptize, Paul was not. These are things upon which you and I agree.

                My argument with godrulz hinges on his denial that Paul was given a different message, etc. when it is clear that Paul was commanded to preach and do things differently than the 12.

                Scattered brain you say !!

                Try this ??

                #1 , Do you see Jewish people preaching Matt 28:19 and 20 ??

                #2 , Where have you LATELY seen Jewish Priests BAPTIZING Gentiles ??

                #3 , Where would these Jewish PROSELYTES go to , a Jewish Assembly or the Body of Christ which has already DEPARTED !!

                Are these questions TO SCATTERED BRAINED for you , but you have a better answer ??

                dan p

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                  My beef is with post-cross issues, not early Gospels vs Acts 2 ff.
                  Great Commission: Post-Cross
                  Acts 2:38: Post-Cross

                  Why the difference in Paul's message and directive?
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by DAN P View Post
                    Scattered brain you say !!
                    Just the format. Maybe you should learn to read?

                    Try this ??

                    #1 , Do you see Jewish people preaching Matt 28:19 and 20 ??

                    #2 , Where have you LATELY seen Jewish Priests BAPTIZING Gentiles ??

                    #3 , Where would these Jewish PROSELYTES go to , a Jewish Assembly or the Body of Christ which has already DEPARTED !!

                    Are these questions TO SCATTERED BRAINED for you , but you have a better answer ??

                    dan p


                    Anyone who believes The Great Commission is in effect for them should be preaching the commandments, and baptizing any converts they make. They then should consider themselves under the law.

                    The Great Commission is not, and never was, for the Body of Christ.

                    How many times do I have to point out to you that I am MAD?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                      Just the format. Maybe you should learn to read?




                      Anyone who believes The Great Commission is in effect for them should be preaching the commandments, and baptizing any converts they make. They then should consider themselves under the law.

                      The Great Commission is not, and never was, for the Body of Christ.

                      How many times do I have to point out to you that I am MAD?

                      And you believe that NATIONS/ETHNOS Matt 28:19 means GENTILES ??

                      YES or NO ??

                      DAN P

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                        Just the format. Maybe you should learn to read?




                        Anyone who believes The Great Commission is in effect for them should be preaching the commandments, and baptizing any converts they make. They then should consider themselves under the law.

                        The Great Commission is not, and never was, for the Body of Christ.

                        How many times do I have to point out to you that I am MAD?
                        I am going to try and keep updating my earlier post to see if some definitive list of key points can be constructed.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                          Great Commission: Post-Cross
                          Acts 2:38: Post-Cross

                          Why the difference in Paul's message and directive?
                          I dispute that Paul taught something different. The gospel is the person and work of Christ, not either/or, but both/and.

                          MAD proof texts I Cor. 1 wrong. It is not a negation of baptism that Paul supported. I Cor. 11 is not a denial of communion that Paul supported. I Tim. does not teach that Paul was the first sinner, first convert to Christianity, etc.

                          Paul fleshed things out differently and in greater doctrinal detail, but the death and resurrection of Lord Jesus is common pre and post Paul, post-cross.
                          Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                          They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                          I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                          Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                          "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                          The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                            Just the format. Maybe you should learn to read?




                            Anyone who believes The Great Commission is in effect for them should be preaching the commandments, and baptizing any converts they make. They then should consider themselves under the law.

                            The Great Commission is not, and never was, for the Body of Christ.

                            How many times do I have to point out to you that I am MAD?
                            The problem is your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the GC texts. MAD has warped it beyond recognition.

                            You are begging the question and missing the point (be aware that Mark 16 is a problematic ending that likely does not belong).
                            Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                            They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                            I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                            Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                            "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                            The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                              The problem is your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the GC texts. MAD has warped it beyond recognition.

                              You are begging the question and missing the point (be aware that Mark 16 is a problematic ending that likely does not belong).


                              Hi , and where is the verse that Acts 2 , believers say the Body of Christ , Began ??

                              Post #9 , proves that what Paul and Peter preached were different , nor have proven wrong the Perfect Tense NOR the Greek Articles ( THE ) that are used in Gal 2:7 !!

                              DAN P

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DAN P View Post
                                And you believe that NATIONS/ETHNOS Matt 28:19 means GENTILES ??

                                YES or NO ??

                                DAN P
                                So far I have no reason to believe they were not included, but I do not believe it was Gentiles exclusively. I believe "all nations" means all nations.

                                Can you give me a reason to think otherwise?

                                Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                                I dispute that Paul taught something different. The gospel is the person and work of Christ, not either/or, but both/and.
                                I know what you dispute, and I know you can't back it up; you refuse to answer why the 12 were sent to baptize and Paul was not, for instance. Or why the 12 were commanded to teach all things Jesus had commanded them and Paul was not.

                                MAD proof texts I Cor. 1 wrong. It is not a negation of baptism that Paul supported. I Cor. 11 is not a denial of communion that Paul supported. I Tim. does not teach that Paul was the first sinner, first convert to Christianity, etc.


                                It's not about whether or not baptism is okay, but the fact that the 12 were commanded to do so and Paul was not.

                                Paul fleshed things out differently and in greater doctrinal detail, but the death and resurrection of Lord Jesus is common pre and post Paul, post-cross.


                                Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                                The problem is your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the GC texts. MAD has warped it beyond recognition.
                                Then explain it to me. What does it really mean?

                                You are begging the question and missing the point (be aware that Mark 16 is a problematic ending that likely does not belong).
                                Oh, really? Then why did you bring it up, since no one else did?
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