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  • Nineveh
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    bmyers,
    "utter lack of meaningful content. Enyart argues his points from either a condition of woeful ignorance of the subject matter at hand, or out of willful deception. I can't tell which"

    Could you please cite somethng for an example, or am I just to take your word for it?

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  • bmyers
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    Originally posted by Nineveh
    bmyers,

    What did you read by Mr. Enyart?
    You mean besides the contents of his web site, his postings here, listening to his radio show on occasion (it's good for a laugh, if nothing else), and the occasional missive he manages to get into the local press? Outside of those, just a couple of publications that he's at least contributed to (sorry, I can't cite the titles right now - they weren't mine, but rather some pieces that a friend gave me to look over a couple of years back). All were, as I said early, consistent only in their utter lack of meaningful content. Enyart argues his points from either a condition of woeful ignorance of the subject matter at hand, or out of willful deception. I can't tell which, but I know from what I've read that there is little sense in continuing to look for any sort of significant contribution from that source.

    And if that is not a sufficient answer for you, I'm sorry - but it's all you'll get on this particular subject. Shall we return to the topic at hand? I.e., the merits of the points made in THIS particular debate?

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  • Nineveh
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    bmyers,

    What did you read by Mr. Enyart?

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  • Nineveh
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    Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
    I want to go to his website and tell everyone come here and get it free.
    Anyone who actually cares prolly already has.

    Also tell them to try listening to a few of the resident atheists here and start to live a real life instead of a fantasy one !
    Oh.. yeah! Hey Knight! Another good ToL tagline :

    Debate the facts of spontaneous regeneration with athiests on ToL!

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  • LightSon
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    Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
    We both conclude that religion is generally greedy !
    Man is generally greedy, and to the extent that religion is comprised of men, it too will be generally greedy.

    Jesus was clear; we cannot serve God and mammon (money).

    "The love of money is the root of all evil".

    There are scores of Bible passages that warn about misplaced attitudes about and desires for money.
    Last edited by LightSon; September 9, 2003, 11:06 PM.

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  • Aussie Thinker
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    I want to go to his website and tell everyone come here and get it free.

    Also tell them to try listening to a few of the resident atheists here and start to live a real life instead of a fantasy one !

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  • Nineveh
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    NO kidding Freak!!!

    KNIGHT!!!!

    This could be another member perk! Platinum Level : Read the infamous Battle Royal between Bob Enyart and Zakath!

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  • Freak
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    Originally posted by Zakath

    The tone of you post comes across as disappointed; but you should realize that, unlike Enyart, I do not make my living from arguing about religious beliefs. I think the rapidity with which Enyart self-published the debate (on sale at his website for a mere $19.95 plus shipping and handling), without even the common courtesy of allowing the other major party involved (me) to review the text prior to publication, demonstrates where his head was in the matter.

    For me, debating on boards like this was just a pastime. For him, debating here appears to be merely another way to make money off of religion.

    (edited to add the link to Enyart's website) - Z
    I was not aware of this. I'm going to pm Knight about this.

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  • Aussie Thinker
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    Turbo,

    Did you bother to read the follow ups..

    We both conclude that religion is generally greedy !

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  • Turbo
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    Originally posted by Mr Potato Head
    Hey Aussie!

    I beg to differ... just go to infidelguy.com - Go a third of the way down the page, look on the left side. They give you two sites that you can donate through, stormpay and paypal! Whoops. Oh, and then have you ever noticed that in order to do anything you need money? Apparently not. Maybe it's true that some churches have illegal drug runs to raise money but most have to rely on private donors. You ever think about that??

    Oh, and I found a couple church sites that don't ask for money (www.nefc.net and www.apc-online.org). So that didn't work either.

    One last thing, don't start quoting the Bible when you have no idea what's going on. It had nothing to do with the money that was being given to the temple (see Mark 12:41-44) as to why Jesus cleared it, it was the fact that they were mocking the sacrificial system (the very thing Jesus came to fulfill) by selling animals for the sacrifice while ripping people off and being "robbers." It had nothing to do with giving money to the Church or to projects it undertakes.
    GREAT post, Mr. Potato Head!

    Welcome to TOL!

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  • Poly
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    Originally posted by bmyers
    Because, unlike some who post here, I will quite often at least attempt to be diplomatic rather than blunt. I understand that this runs the risks of people interpreting what I say per their own biases, but that's at least in part their problem. You, for example, not only interpreted my statement in the worst possible light, but saw fit for some reason to then post this conclusion and to come very close to a public accusation of lying on my part. Why you seemed to think this was necessary, I could only speculate.

    Frankly, I haven't found that I do appear less credible, to those whose opinions of my credibility concern me.
    Uhh..ok

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  • Aussie Thinker
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    For a start he read Enyarts entire "God exists" debate.

    It was about 20 pages of the most uninspiring nothing I have ever read !

    BTW BMyers.. I just loved the.. how did we evolve before taxes..LOL.. that was a ripper !

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  • Nineveh
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    bmyers,
    I'm with Poly on that, why do you feel the need to beat around the bush?

    What did you read by Mr. Enyart?

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  • bmyers
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    Originally posted by Poly
    Why didn't you just say so? I find it odd that you wouldn't when it only makes people suspect what I posted. It only makes you seem less credible.
    Because, unlike some who post here, I will quite often at least attempt to be diplomatic rather than blunt. I understand that this runs the risks of people interpreting what I say per their own biases, but that's at least in part their problem. You, for example, not only interpreted my statement in the worst possible light, but saw fit for some reason to then post this conclusion and to come very close to a public accusation of lying on my part. Why you seemed to think this was necessary, I could only speculate.

    Frankly, I haven't found that I do appear less credible, to those whose opinions of my credibility concern me.
    Last edited by bmyers; September 9, 2003, 01:56 PM.

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  • Poly
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    Originally posted by bmyers
    You can come to that conclusion if you want to, but know that you're doing it with no basis whatsoever. The fact is that I HAVE read quite a good deal of Enyart's writings, and found it without exception to be utterly devoid of any useful or meaningful content.

    Is THAT explicit enough for you?
    Why didn't you just say so? I find it odd that you wouldn't when it only makes people suspect what I posted. It only makes you seem less credible.

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