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  • #76
    update

    What is the update on this battle? It seems like the process has stalled.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Wild Child

      What about Billybob vs. Tye Porter?

      I am new, but there seems to be some material there for a good battle.

      Or do you, Knight, think it would be nothing more than insults and name-calling?
      Rarely do I speak for Knight but I'm pretty sure he would say:



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      • #78
        Re: update

        Originally posted by add yasaf

        What is the update on this battle? It seems like the process has stalled.
        Still working on it.... and waiting to hear from IYGTTUAS regarding a possible combatant he knows.
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        • #79
          Bob Enyart teaches that the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".

          They call themselves "dispensationalists",but their teaching is the greatest assult on the dispensational method today!Over and over I am confronted by non-dispensationalists who say that they reject dispensationalism because dispensationalists teach that some men are saved in different ways than other men.

          Those who follow Bob Enyart should take this opportunity to clear up whether or not the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".If they think that they can prove their teaching from the Scriptures then at least one of them should accept my challenge.

          This is a perfect subject for the "Battle Royale Center Ring".

          Any takers?

          In His grace,--Jerry

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          • #80
            Still working on it.... and waiting to hear from IYGTTUAS regarding a possible combatant he knows.
            Knight,
            If you want IYGTTUAS' instant messenger name i would gladly give it to you.

            He says a virus deleted his correspondences with this "big shot." He started complaining but he apparently forgot the will of God in this matter.
            1 Timothy 2:4
            [God our Savior] wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart

              Bob Enyart teaches that the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".

              They call themselves "dispensationalists",but their teaching is the greatest assult on the dispensational method today!Over and over I am confronted by non-dispensationalists who say that they reject dispensationalism because dispensationalists teach that some men are saved in different ways than other men.

              Those who follow Bob Enyart should take this opportunity to clear up whether or not the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".If they think that they can prove their teaching from the Scriptures then at least one of them should accept my challenge.

              This is a perfect subject for the "Battle Royale Center Ring".

              Any takers?

              In His grace,--Jerry
              Seems Jerry, you have your hands full right now and it's not even a BattleRoyal.
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              • #82
                Yes,I have mny hands full of people telling me that although Peter was saved by grace (if it is of grace then it is not of works) but at the same time the Lord required "works" in order that they may be saved.

                Typical response of those who follow the false teachings of Bob Enyart!

                In His grace,--Jerry

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                • #83
                  Jerry,

                  Although this thread isn' set up to debate this issue, I will respond breifly to your post.

                  You are overstating Bob's position on this issue. (I do not presume to speak for Bob Enyart, but speak in only in the context of my understanding of his teachings as it relates to your accusation.)
                  I beleive Bob's position is simply that the Dispensation of Law had an underpinning of Grace. The point being is that no one is or was able to obey the Law perfectly. It isn't possible to do now and never has been. But God still saved those who loved Him and obeyed the Law to the best of their ability. Don't forget that having faith in God was part of the Law! So it was a combination of faith plus works during the previous dispensation and now it is faith only.

                  Very good topic, by the way!
                  It wouldn't bother me to see this debate fleshed out but I'm not sure there's enough material to go over here to warrant a Battle Royale.


                  Resting in Him,
                  Clete
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Clete Pfeiffer
                    I beleive Bob's position is simply that the Dispensation of Law had an underpinning of Grace.
                    Clete,

                    The words of Peter are not in reference to the dispensation of the law,but instead it is in reference to "salvation":

                    "We believe that is is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved,just as they are"(Acts15:11).

                    And the "grace" in regard to salvation of the Jewsish believers are not of "works",as the following words demonstate.

                    "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace"(Ro.11:5,6).
                    The point being is that no one is or was able to obey the Law perfectly. It isn't possible to do now and never has been. But God still saved those who loved Him and obeyed the Law to the best of their ability.
                    If they obeyed the Law to the best of their ability then they would indeed keep the Law.But none of them did.Each of the Jews had the "ability" not to sin,but they all did sin.
                    Don't forget that having faith in God was part of the Law!
                    "And the Law is not of faith,but,the man that doeth them shall live in them"(Gal.3:12).
                    Very good topic, by the way!
                    It wouldn't bother me to see this debate fleshed out but I'm not sure there's enough material to go over here to warrant a Battle Royale.
                    If there is not enough material for a regular Battle Royale we could have a shorter debate.I think that the reason that there is no interest by those who run this forum to debate this issue is because none of them have an answer to the words of the Lord Jesus that demonstrates that the Jewish believers were saved by "faith" alone,just as were the Gentile believers.Here are His words to the Jews:

                    "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life"(Jn.5:24).

                    In His grace,--Jerry
                    Last edited by Jerry Shugart; February 6th, 2004, 11:03 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart


                      Typical response of those who follow the false teachings of Bob Enyart!

                      In His grace,--Jerry

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                      • #86
                        Jerry,

                        How do you deal with the book of James?
                        The whole book is about salvation and that works are required for it.

                        Hbr 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

                        Jam 2:20 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is *dead?

                        Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

                        This is the Gospel of the Circumcision in a nutshell. Isn't it?

                        Resting in Him,
                        Clete
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Clete Pfeiffer
                          How do you deal with the book of James?
                          The whole book is about salvation and that works are required for it.
                          Clete,

                          Sir Robert Anderson,one of the first Mid-Acts dispensationalists,has the following to say about the words of James:

                          http://www.newble.co.uk/anderson/gospel/chap12.html

                          In His grace,--Jerry

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Wild Child

                            What about Billybob vs. Tye Porter?

                            I am new, but there seems to be some material there for a good battle.

                            Or do you, Knight, think it would be nothing more than insults and name-calling?
                            It would be a fun side show. You could rate it "R" and let
                            them get it all out without the usual moderator warnings.
                            Maybe they could get it out of their systems finally...

                            Or would that be too much like "reality TV"?

                            djm

                            ps Billy's been pretty tame lately, even coherent at times, I
                            give him credit for that. I'd hate for something like this to be
                            a reason for backsliding...

                            pps Sorry for the distraction, we now return you to your regularly
                            scheduled open / closed theism discussion

                            djm
                            1 John 4:7-8 "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love."

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                            • #89
                              I would be willing to take part in this. I'm from the Spurgeon/MacArthur school of thought. Predesination/Election is a topic I love to discuss.

                              That is, if there are no atheists taking part. Can't argue with an atheist.

                              ATHEIST: "I'm not interested in God."

                              ME: "Did you ever think if God is even interested in you? "

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                              • #90
                                Earlier I challenged those who followed the teachings of Bob Enyart to a debate on the "Battle Royal Center Ring".I said:

                                Bob Enyart teaches that the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".

                                They call themselves "dispensationalists",but their teaching is the greatest assult on the dispensational method today!Over and over I am confronted by non-dispensationalists who say that they reject dispensationalism because dispensationalists teach that some men are saved in different ways than other men.

                                Those who follow the ideas of Bob Enyart should take this opportunity to clear up whether or not the Jews were saved by "faith" plus "works".If they think that they can prove their teaching from the Scriptures then at least one of them should accept my challenge.

                                This is a perfect subject for the "Battle Royale Center Ring".

                                I made this challenge two weeks ago.If this challenge would have been accepted then the debate would have already been over!

                                It seems as if those who follow the teaching of Bob Enyart want no part of this debate.Why not?


                                In His grace,--Jerry

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