Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The virgin birth in Isaiah 7

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    There is no virgin in Isaiah 7:14.

    It speaks about a YOUNG WOMAN who IS pregnant and IS GIVING BIRTH to a son.

    Eliyahu
    I believe the word virgin here in the English is the same word that in Hebrew means young woman.

    Isaiah 7:14 (KJV) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Isaiah 7:14 (NASB) "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    Is Immanuel a land?

    Quote:

    Immanuel is a child, a son.

    Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
    Bs'd

    There is no virgin in Isaiah 7:14.

    It speaks about a YOUNG WOMAN who IS pregnant and IS GIVING BIRTH to a son.


    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    Immanuel is not a land, but a child.


    Eliyahu
    Is Immanuel a land?

    Quote:
    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8
    Immanuel is a child, a son.

    Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    So Immanuel is a land? But Immanuel was the name of a child.
    Bs'd

    Immanuel is not a land, but a child.


    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    Are you by any chance related to Joey?
    I met him on TOL before I met you.

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    Sorry if it was confusing. I'm just saying you answered the original question now. Your first answer was:

    Quote:

    So Immanuel is a land? But Immanuel was the name of a child.
    Bs'd

    Are you by any chance related to Joey?

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    Are you trying to say something with this copy?

    Eliyahu
    Sorry if it was confusing. I'm just saying you answered the original question now. Your first answer was:

    Quote:

    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8
    So Immanuel is a land? But Immanuel was the name of a child.

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Untellectual
    In the fulfillment, is there any mention of a child named Immanuel?

    Bs'd

    "5The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

    6Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

    7Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8



    Eliyahu
    Bs'd

    Are you trying to say something with this copy?



    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    Either Isaiah's son or Achaz's son.


    Eliyahu
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Untellectual
    In the fulfillment, is there any mention of a child named Immanuel?

    Bs'd

    "5The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

    6Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

    7Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8



    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    Then whose son was named Immanuel?
    Bs'd

    Either Isaiah's son or Achaz's son.


    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    I'm not saying that, and neither is Isaiah saying that.

    Immanuel, is in Judah, and not in Israel, what can be seen by reading the text well.

    Eliyahu
    Then whose son was named Immanuel?

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    Are you saying Rezin and Remaliah's son is named Immanuel?

    Is there any extra-Biblical verification of this?
    Bs'd

    I'm not saying that, and neither is Isaiah saying that.

    Immanuel, is in Judah, and not in Israel, what can be seen by reading the text well.



    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    "5The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

    6Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

    7Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8

    Eliyahu
    Are you saying Rezin and Remaliah's son is named Immanuel?

    Is there any extra-Biblical verification of this?

    Leave a comment:


  • Elia
    replied
    Originally posted by Untellectual View Post
    In the fulfillment, is there any mention of a child named Immanuel?
    Bs'd

    "5The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

    6Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

    7Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

    8And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel." Is 8



    Eliyahu

    Leave a comment:


  • Jacob
    replied
    Originally posted by Elia View Post
    God says that before the child of the young woman who is pregnant will grow up, the land of the two kings, Resin of Syria, and Pekah of Israel, will be deserted, that is devoid of people. Those two nations will be led into exile.
    So this is a sign for king Achaz, who lived about 700 years before JC.

    And the Bible tells us that this prophecy came true: "27: In the fifty-second year of Azari'ah king of Judah Pekah the son of Remali'ah began to reign over Israel in Sama'ria, and reigned twenty years. 28: And he did what was evil in the sight of the LORD; he did not depart from the sins of Jerobo'am the son of Nebat, which he made Israel to sin. 29: In the days of Pekah king of Israel Tig'lath-pile'ser king of Assyria came and captured I'jon, A'bel-beth-ma'acah, Jan-o'ah, Kedesh, Hazor, Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naph'tali; and he carried the people captive to Assyria. 30: Then Hoshe'a the son of Elah made a conspiracy against Pekah the son of Remali'ah, and struck him down, and slew him, and reigned in his stead, in the twentieth year of Jotham the son of Uzzi'ah."
    II Kings 15.

    We see here that the population of Israel indeed went into exile, and that the land of king Pekah was deserted.

    And here is what happened to Resin, the king of Syria:
    "6: At that time the king of Edom recovered Elath for Edom, and drove the men of Judah from Elath; and the E'domites came to Elath, where they dwell to this day. 7: So Ahaz sent messengers to Tig'lath-pile'ser king of Assyria, saying, "I am your servant and your son. Come up, and rescue me from the hand of the king of Syria and from the hand of the king of Israel, who are attacking me." 8: Ahaz also took the silver and gold that was found in the house of the LORD and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent a present to the king of Assyria. 9: And the king of Assyria hearkened to him; the king of Assyria marched up against Damascus, and took it, carrying its people captive to Kir, and he killed Rezin."
    II Kings 16.

    So here we see that also the inhabitants of the land of King Resin went into exile, and also his land was deserted, in the days of Achaz.

    So God gave a sign to Achaz.

    In the days of Achaz.
    In the fulfillment, is there any mention of a child named Immanuel?

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X