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  • #76
    Originally posted by Mr. 5020
    It does not translate to literally expecting. It is a figure of speech.
    And the figure of speech would mean what????

    For somebody that claims to have several verses, you sure are making a big deal about this one being found to be insubstantial.
    This verse isn't insubstantial.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Knight
      And the figure of speech would mean what????
      You already asked this, and I already answered it.
      Originally posted by Mr. 5020
      In this context, it would mean that Israel should have been good grapes, with everything God did. One would expect them to with all the blessings He bestowed upon them (but not One that already knew they would be wild grapes).

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Mr. 5020
        You already asked this, and I already answered it.
        Your answer never addressed the actual question.

        Assuming that the "expectation" or the "looking" was a figure of speech and knowing that God was the one doing the "expecting and or "looking" what would the figure of speech mean in that context?

        Are you saying that God really wasn't looking for or expecting good grapes?

        Are you saying that the figure of speech would mean the opposite of what the verse says?
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Knight
          Your answer never addressed the actual question.

          Assuming that the "expectation" or the "looking" was a figure of speech and knowing that God was the one doing the "expecting and or "looking" what would the figure of speech mean in that context?

          Are you saying that God really wasn't looking for or expecting good grapes?

          Are you saying that the figure of speech would mean the opposite of what the verse says?
          I did address the question. The question was, "What does the figure of speech mean?"

          By asking the question, I can assume that you agree that it is a figure of speech, which are never literal. Looking at the context, it simply says that with everything God did, there is no reason Israel should have rebelled. Nothing more than that.

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          • #80
            God states....

            Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

            God says not only did He not command this awful behavior but such an evil act didn't even come into His mind!

            In other words had God seen all the future these evil acts would have come to God's mind. Yet God wasn't expecting or "looking" for such an awful thing.
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            • #81
              bump (I know your busy Mr. 5020, but I didn't want this to go too far under the rug).
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Knight
                bump (I know your busy Mr. 5020, but I didn't want this to go too far under the rug).
                I'm not sure it's worth keeping this thread open, unless you're okay with huge delays between responses.

                I'm now a student on top of having 2 jobs.
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                But something did come to mind recently. (I apologize for changing the subject, I will be getting to your verse eventually).

                You said that in order to fulfill prophecy, God will nudge or convince people to make that prophecy happen. Will that include convincing people to sin??

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Mr. 5020
                  I'm not sure it's worth keeping this thread open, unless you're okay with huge delays between responses.

                  I'm now a student on top of having 2 jobs.
                  No problem.

                  But something did come to mind recently. (I apologize for changing the subject, I will be getting to your verse eventually).

                  You said that in order to fulfill prophecy, God will nudge or convince people to make that prophecy happen. Will that include convincing people to sin??
                  No, God says He never tempts anyone to sin.

                  And just to clarify....
                  I am not sure I ever said... "...in order to fulfill prophecy, God will nudge or convince people to make that prophecy happen." What I might have said is.... in order to fulfill prophecy, God MIGHT nudge or influence people to make that prophecy happen.

                  Prophecies can come to pass in a variety of ways.
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                  • #84
                    No rush... just a standard bump.
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                    • #85
                      5020... when you get more time we can start a new One on One (III).
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