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  • ECT: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions

    The King James Version has been a tried and true text that shows the true doctrines to the church. On the whole you will find this is the Bible of preference especially when sharing with other Christians, as most modern versions have issues to say the least.

    The Textus Receptus or Majority Text which is what the King James is based on has been attacked with changes, amendments, deletions, and to diminish Gods truth. Many places of learning including schools and Christian Colleges and Universities have switched over to versions using the Minority Text (Westcott and Hort or Nestle and Aland) for the classroom while still using the King James Version in public, so few notice. So many of the new versions are based on the corrupted manuscripts and deletions which form the basis of the Minority Text, that its easy to pick one up and not notice. So how are Bible doctrines affected by these modern versions based on the Minority Text, lets take a look at what these changes do in this study I came across which states with Matthew:

    MATTHEW

    1:25 "her firstborn" is omitted. That Jesus was her firstborn indicates that Mary and Joseph had relations after the birth of Jesus and that others were born of her. The omission here seeks to add credence to the false doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church concerning the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Bible is clear that Jesus had brothers and sisters.

    5:22 "without a cause" is removed. In the Sermon on the Mount the Lord warned of judgment for those who were angry with a brother without a cause. Should this change be accepted everyone who is angry with his brother may be judged. (The effect is to bring Jesus into judgment for failing to observe his own words in Mark 3:5 "5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other." Such is contrary to the doctrine of the sinlessness of Christ.)

    6:4, 6, 18 "openly" is out. It is a Bible Doctrine that Christian work done unnoticed for the glory of the Lord will one day be rewarded openly (Col. 3:4).

    6:13 "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever, Amen" is deleted. This ascription of praise to "Our Father" is found in 491 out of 500 existing manuscripts.

    8:29 "Jesus" is left out. The demons bore witness to the fact that Jesus was the Son of God. It was an identification of Jesus (in humanity) as the Son of God (in Deity). It affects the doctrine of the Person of Christ.

    9:8 "marvelled" is changed to "were afraid." There is no reason to believe that the people were afraid because Jesus healed the sick of the palsy. There is every reason for them to marvel at the miracle.

    9:13 "to repentance" is left out. The Bible doctrine of repentance is one that men would like to do away with. God requires that in order to be saved one must truly repent (Acts 17:30; 2 Peter 3:9). The word means "a change of mind" and there must be that concerning God, sin and salvation. Men think that sin does not really separate them from God--they must change their mind about that. Men think that salvation is by works--they must change their mind about that. There is nothing more evident today than the absence of repentance among those who are professing to be converted.

    15:8 "draweth nigh unto me with their mouth" is left out. According to Isaiah 29:13 it belongs in because Isaiah prophesied of these hypocrites exactly that way.

    16:2,3 "When it is evening ... the signs of the times" is all omitted. The Pharisees and Sadducees came looking for a sign and the signs were all around them. Jesus called them hypocrites because they could not tell the signs of the times.

    17:21 Whole verse is left out. Power with God is to be had by prayer and fasting. That is a fundamental truth of the Word of God.

    18:2 "Jesus" is left out. This is done many times by the corrupt Greek Text of Westcott and Hort. The MAJORITY Text continuously places the word "Jesus" in the narrative with the definite article preceding it. Thus it places him in the center of things and in command. It is doctrinally unsound for such prominence to be discarded for the word "he."

    18:11 The whole verse is omitted. This verse tells us that man is lost, that he needs to be saved, and that the Son of man is the one who can do that. The doctrine of salvation through Jesus Christ is affected by this change.

    18:15 "against thee" is omitted. This omission sets us up as watchdogs over others and if one sins we are to go and tell him. Such is not the teaching of Scripture. Were we to declare every sin we would be constantly busy (bodies) judging the actions and motives of everyone. This change is a very bad error.

    18:35 "their trespasses" is omitted. Same thought as mentioned in 18:15.

    19:9 "and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery" is removed. This is a very important doctrinal change which concerns divorce and remarriage. A man who divorces his wife and remarries commits adultery, and also the man who marries the divorced wife commits adultery.

    19:16,17 "Good" before Master is omitted. In addition to that, the phrase "Why callest thou me good?" is changed to "Why askest thou me concerning the good?" Good Master is correct and Jesus responded to show the young man that only one was good and that one was God. The conclusion should have been obvious. Since Jesus was good he was necessarily God. The omission and change destroys the intended testimony to the Deity of Christ.

    20:16 "for many be called, but few chosen" is left out. The Lord would have us know that many are called to inherit eternal life, but few are chosen by virtue of believing in Christ. It is a Bible doctrine that God wants all men to be saved but few will come to Christ for salvation.

    21:12 "of God" is out. Jesus, who was God in the flesh, came to his own temple and said, "My house shall be called the house of prayer." It was the temple of God and the God of the temple was there.

    22:30 "of God" is removed. There are good angels and fallen angels. The believers, in the resurrection, will be like the good angels "of God" who alone are in heaven.

    23:8 "Master" is changed to "teacher." There are many teachers but only one master. The change here takes away the pre- eminence that God intends for his Son.

    25:13 "wherein the Son of man cometh" is omitted. The warning to watch is tied to the imminent return of the Lord. The omission here does away with the doctrine of the Lord's second advent.

    26:28 "new" is dropped before testament. The apostle Paul tells us that Jesus said, "this cup is the NEW testament in my blood." The change here is intended to corrupt the Word of God and to confuse Christians.

    27:35 "that it might be fulfilled ... did they cast lots" is all omitted. It is very important in Matthew's gospel, where Jesus is portrayed as the King of Israel, to show that he is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies. Here the parting of his garments and casting lots is the fulfillment of Psalm 22:18 which portrays the crucifixion of Christ. To omit this is to show the intended corruption of the Word of God by the textual critics.

    28:6 "the Lord" is omitted. The very reverent angels said, "see the place where the Lord lay." They would not say, "see the place where he lay." The constant attempt to humanize Jesus and take away from his Deity does not endear the Westcott and Hort Greek Text to believers.

    This is just Matthew, these changes and deletions is done all the way to Revelation...

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    I am porting this comment over from another thread:


    The unreliability of codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are discussed here:
    https://www.preservedword.com/conten...n-manuscripts/

    These documents are favored in all newer translations because of their early date which is a dubious distinction.
    It is more likely they survived because they were seldom used.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

    It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hobie View Post
      The King James Version has been a tried and true text that shows the true doctrines to the church.
      The King James Version is and has been used by all sorts of cult leaders and heretics for the past couple of centuries. Jim Jones used the KJV. David Koresh and the Branch Davidians used the KJV. Extreme Pentecostals use the KJV. Westboro Baptist Church uses the KJV. And they don't just prefer the KJV, they are KJV-only.
      Last edited by User Name; November 4th, 2019, 01:50 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by User Name View Post
        The King James Version is and has been used by all sorts of cult leaders and heretics for the past couple of centuries. Jim Jones used the KJV. David Koresh and the Branch Davidians used the KJV. Extreme Pentecostals use the KJV. Westboro Baptist Church uses the KJV. And they don't just prefer the KJV, they are also KJV-only.
        Fallacious "guilt by association" where there is no association.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
          Fallacious "guilt by association" where there is no association.
          My point is, in contrast to the claims of the OP, simply that reliance on the KJV is no guarantor of protection from "heresy" or "false doctrine" or "false prophets" or "cult leaders" since they all use the KJV as well.

          By contrast, I'm not aware of any cult leaders who are "NIV-only."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by User Name View Post
            My point is, in contrast to the claims of the OP, simply that reliance on the KJV is no guarantor of protection from "heresy" or "false doctrine" or "false prophets" or "cult leaders" since they all use the KJV as well.
            They never made that claim. So it's a straw-man

            Originally posted by User Name View Post
            By contrast, I'm not aware of any cult leaders who are "NIV-only."
            Another irrelevant misdirection.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
              They never made that claim. So it's a straw-man

              Another irrelevant misdirection.
              Don't misdirect from the fact that you'll find much more "false doctrine," "heresy," "false prophets" and "cult leaders" among KJVOs than you will among those who use "modern" translations of the Bible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by User Name View Post
                My point is, in contrast to the claims of the OP, simply that reliance on the KJV is no guarantor of protection from "heresy" or "false doctrine" or "false prophets" or "cult leaders" since they all use the KJV as well.

                By contrast, I'm not aware of any cult leaders who are "NIV-only."
                A proper contrast to KJVO is AVO (All Versions Only)

                And I did not read where he said it was a guarantor of protection.
                Could you point that out?
                Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

                It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
                  A proper contrast to KJVO is AVO (All Versions Only)
                  What does that even mean?

                  Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
                  And I did not read where he said it was a guarantor of protection.
                  Could you point that out?
                  What is the point of the OP, if not to assert that the KJV "shows true doctrines," whereas other translations are "corrupted"?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by User Name View Post
                    What does that even mean?
                    It means what it says.
                    The belief that all versions, without exception, are not the inerrant Word of God.



                    Originally posted by User Name View Post
                    What is the point of the OP, if not to assert that the KJV "shows true doctrines," whereas other translations are "corrupted"?
                    I did not ask you to read something into his words. I asked where did he say that it was a guarantor of protection.

                    And I asked it because there is no difference between you putting words in his mouth and Cathy Newman interviewing Jordan Peterson.
                    "So what you're saying is..."

                    Read with cognition and don't misrepresent other people. He didn't say it would keep people on the straight and narrow. He said it best reflects what the church believes and that is entirely different.
                    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

                    It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
                      It means what it says.
                      The belief that all versions, without exception, are not the inerrant Word of God.
                      The translators of the KJV wrote, in the foreward to their work, that “perfection is never attainable by man, but the word of God may be recognized in the very meanest translation of the Bible.”

                      Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
                      I did not ask you to read something into his words. I asked where did he say that it was a guarantor of protection.
                      I will again quote to you words from the OP, that the KJV "shows the true doctrines," whereas other translations are "corrupted." If the KJV, alone among all Bible translations, "shows the true doctrines," and all others are "corrupted," then the KJV should provide some guarantee of protection from heresy while the others do not; but as we all know, heresy, false prophets, and cult leaders abound among KJVO believers.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by User Name View Post
                        Don't misdirect from the fact that you'll find much more "false doctrine," "heresy," "false prophets" and "cult leaders" among KJVOs than you will among those who use "modern" translations of the Bible.
                        All of my ancestors are human.
                        Originally posted by Squeaky
                        That explains why your an idiot.
                        Originally posted by God's Truth
                        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                        • #13
                          Then look at the attack on the doctrine of the GodHead, the NIV removes the critically important word “Godhead” from Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. Those are the only 3 mentions of the Word in the Bible; yet, they have all been removed. Then we have the following:

                          John 1:3 (New International Version, )
                          "3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

                          Now here is what the King James Bible says...

                          John 1:3, “All things were made BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

                          1st John 5:7 in the NIV reads...

                          1 John 5:7 (New International Version)
                          "7 For there are three that testify"

                          Here is what King James Bible reads...

                          1st John 5:7, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

                          Subtly this is a change affecting the deity of Jesus Christ.

                          We find it again in NIV in Colossians 1:16...

                          Colossians 1:16 (New International Version)
                          "16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."

                          Now here is what the King James Bible says...

                          Colossians 1:16, “For BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.”

                          The King James Bible says that “by Him,” that is, by Jesus Christ, were all things created. The Scriptures attribute creation directly to the Lord Jesus Christ

                          The NIV doesn't miss the point again in John 1:10...

                          John 1:10 (New International Version, ©2011)

                          10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

                          Here is what the faithful King James Bible reads...

                          John 1:10, “He was in the world, and the world was MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.”

                          Satan knows that if he can change each new version of the Bible just a little bit, then it won't be too long before all truth is gone.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by User Name View Post
                            I will again quote to you words from the OP, that the KJV "shows the true doctrines," whereas other translations are "corrupted." If the KJV, alone among all Bible translations, "shows the true doctrines," and all others are "corrupted," then the KJV should provide some guarantee of protection from heresy while the others do not; but as we all know, heresy, false prophets, and cult leaders abound among KJVO believers.
                            Ok - so you won't answer the question I asked. Got it.
                            Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

                            It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by User Name View Post
                              Don't misdirect from the fact that you'll find much more "false doctrine," "heresy," "false prophets" and "cult leaders" among KJVOs than you will among those who use "modern" translations of the Bible.
                              Why is it surprising that Satan wants desperately to bring down his worst enemy? The King James Bible.
                              Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

                              It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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