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    Mary: Mother of God

    https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-god
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    Fundamentalists are sometimes horrified when the Virgin Mary is referred to as the Mother of God. However, their reaction often rests upon a misapprehension not only of what this particular title of Mary signifies but also of who Jesus was—and of what their own theological forebears, the Protestant Reformers, had to say regarding this doctrine.

    A woman is a man’s mother either if she carried him in her womb or if she was the woman contributing half of his genetic matter or both. Mary was the mother of Jesus in both of these senses, because she not only carried Jesus in her womb but also supplied all of the genetic matter for his human body, since it was through her—not Joseph—that Jesus “was descended from David according to the flesh” (Rom. 1:3).

    Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism.

    Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God “in the flesh” (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)—and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.

    To avoid this conclusion, Fundamentalists often assert that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. This assertion reinvents a heresy from the fifth century known as Nestorianism, which runs aground on the fact that a mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb. Rather, she carries the person of her child. Women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

    The Nestorian claim that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ attempts to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinct persons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation. It is therefore a Christological heresy, which even the Protestant Reformers recognized. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin insisted on Mary’s divine maternity. In fact, it even appears that Nestorius himself may not have believed the heresy named after him. Further, the “Nestorian” church has now signed a joint declaration on Christology with the Catholic Church and recognizes Mary’s divine maternity, just as other Christians do.

    Since denying that Mary is God’s mother implies doubt about Jesus’ divinity, it is clear why Christians (until recent times) have been unanimous in proclaiming Mary as Mother of God.

    The Church Fathers, of course, agreed, and the following passages witness to their lively recognition of the sacred truth and great gift of divine maternity that was bestowed upon Mary.
    Read the church fathers comments: https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-god

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      ALL Christians know that Mary is the mother of God. Classicaly, to "mother" is to bear, and to "father" is to originate. So Mary bore Jesus, divine and human, in her womb, and is rightly called Mother of God, or "God bearer" (Theotokos). She did not originate God, she bore him in her womb.

      Remember what Elizabeth said: "And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me?" (Luke 1:43). Who was the Lord to the Jews? God was.

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      • #4
        Sure, Mary was the mother of God (Jesus Christ).
        And the Holy Spirit played the role of His "father".
        But, nowhere in Scripture does it say to pray to Mary (for any reason).

        Ditto for any of the "saints" of the RCC and EOC.
        This title is ridiculous because the NT many times
        calls all true born-again believers "saints".
        "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
        you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
        (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
        (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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        • #5
          Jesus was fully divine and fully human. His divinity came from God the Father. Jesus' Mother Mary gave Jesus His humanity. Jesus' divinity came from the spiritual substance of God His Father making Jesus able to be sinless. Mary gave Jesus His humanity so Jesus could relate to our humanity.

          Thus Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for our sins, which put Jesus on the cross. Prior to that animals were sacrificed for their blood which God demanded for sins. Animals were used because they were incapable of sin.
          Last edited by Bradley D; June 27, 2019, 07:44 PM.

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          • #6
            Hi and what is never seen by all , is the Jesus blood could NEVER co-mingle with Mary's blood as then Jesus blood would than be TINTED by human's blood!!

            dan p

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            • #7
              Strange how catholicism is so well rooted in robbery. Thank God for His Word in the flesh sent to us so we can be free from it.
              Last edited by Cntrysner; July 6, 2019, 10:40 AM. Reason: typed to fast

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              • #8
                Catholic Tradition
                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                Jim Elliot

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
                  Sure, Mary was the mother of God (Jesus Christ).
                  And the Holy Spirit played the role of His "father".
                  But, nowhere in Scripture does it say to pray to Mary (for any reason).

                  Ditto for any of the "saints" of the RCC and EOC.
                  This title is ridiculous because the NT many times
                  calls all true born-again believers "saints".
                  Nowhere in Scripture does it say the word "Trinity". Do you believe in the Trinity? I hope so. Nowhere in Scripture do we see a New Testament canon of Scripture, yet you believe all of the New Testament books are infallible, correct? You don't believe any infallible books are missing, right? Therefore, your point makes no sense.
                  Last edited by Fisherofmen; September 22, 2019, 10:38 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
                    Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism.
                    At the time when the Lord Jesus was in Mary's womb He was made in the likeness of man:

                    "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross"
                    (Phil.1:6-8).

                    Since God has no end or beginning it is ridiculous to argue that God was born of a woman. The Lord Jesus was previously in the form of God until he was found in the fashion of man. Mary was the mother of the Man Jesus Christ.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                      At the time when the Lord Jesus was in Mary's womb He was made in the likeness of man:

                      "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross"
                      (Phil.1:6-8).

                      Since God has no end or beginning it is ridiculous to argue that God was born of a woman. The Lord Jesus was previously in the form of God until he was found in the fashion of man. Mary was the mother of the Man Jesus Christ.
                      Yes, right. Mary is not God's mother, but is the birth mother of the incarnate, Jesus.

                      She does, nevertheless hold a special place with God.
                      So, what?

                      believe it!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post

                        Mary: Mother of God

                        https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-god
                        Posted With Permission



                        Read the church fathers comments: https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-mother-of-god
                        Hi CC , and here is who was the one , who PLACED Jesus in Mary !

                        #1 , Matt 1:18 was found with child of the HOLY SPIRIT !!

                        #2, In Heb 5:5 Thou art my SON ( NOT MARY'S SON ) to day have I BEGOTTEN THEE !!

                        #3 The Greek word BEGOTTEN / GENNAO is a verb that means , BEGAT YOU , BE DELIVERED , BE BORN !!

                        #4 The Greek word BEGOTTEN / GENNAO is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !

                        #5 The PERFECT TENSE mans that it is God from the beginning of time decided to be BORN in the Liken of man , to die and SAVE MAN !!

                        #6 The ACTIVE VOICE means that the HOLY SPIRIT caused the action of PLACING Christ into Mary , therefore fulling Isa 53 !!

                        #7 , The INDICATIVE MOOD means it is a FACT !!

                        #8 ,Since Jesus was born of the HOLY SPIRIT , Jesus did NOT have Mary's blood as Jesus blood was NOT tainted by human blood as Jesus had to die for all mankind !!

                        dan p

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fisherofmen View Post

                          Nowhere in Scripture does it say the word "Trinity". Do you believe in the Trinity? I hope so. Nowhere in Scripture do we see a New Testament canon of Scripture, yet you believe all of the New Testament books are infallible, correct? You don't believe any infallible books are missing, right? Therefore, your point makes no sense.
                          Matthew 26:28
                          For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
                          Mark 14:24
                          And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
                          Luke 22:20
                          Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
                          1 Corinthians 11:25
                          After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
                          2 Corinthians 3:6
                          Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
                          Hebrews 9:15
                          And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
                          Oh how I love the Word of God!

                          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fisherofmen View Post

                            Nowhere in Scripture does it say the word "Trinity". Do you believe in the Trinity? I hope so. Nowhere in Scripture do we see a New Testament canon of Scripture, yet you believe all of the New Testament books are infallible, correct? You don't believe any infallible books are missing, right? Therefore, your point makes no sense.
                            Hi and the bible is a book of NUMBERS !!

                            In 1 John 5:7 we read For there are THREE / TREIS that bear record in HEAVEN >

                            Them Greek word THREE / TREIS can shown by these letters !

                            And these letters are A , N , P , M .

                            A means that it is an ADJECTIVE

                            N means it is a NOMINATIVE CASE is the subject of the verb , THREE / TREIS .and it means that there are THREE/TREIS PERIOD !!

                            P means the THREE / TREIS is a PLURAL

                            M means ThREE / TREIS is MASCULINE

                            dan p

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ktoyou View Post
                              Mary is not God's mother
                              Jesus is God
                              Mary is His Mother
                              Mary is Mother of God

                              Seems straightforward to me

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