ECT The Standing Question of Hebrews

Interplanner

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The questions stands: why do D'ists champion Hebrews as though it was for Israel, when it refutes/displaces everything about Judaism, and celebrates the fellowship of Zion above instead of on earth? And then fails to mention that it would be on earth-- the 'to-be-shaken' earth, not the indestructible kingdom?
 

Jerry Shugart

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The questions stands: why do D'ists champion Hebrews as though it was for Israel, when it refutes/displaces everything about Judaism, and celebrates the fellowship of Zion above instead of on earth? And then fails to mention that it would be on earth-- the 'to-be-shaken' earth, not the indestructible kingdom?

Most dispensationalists understand that the doctrine contained in the book of Hebrews is indeed for those in the Body of Christ. They understand that the author of the book is telling those who received the book to leave Judaism.

Sir Robert Anderson wrote that "the distinctive sin with which the Epistle deals is unbelief, and unbelief that savours of apostasy, a going back to Judaism by those who had accepted Christ as the fulfillment of that divine religion...the Epistle to the Hebrews sought to teach him that as a partaker of a heavenly calling, he had to do with heavenly realities, of which the glories of his national cult were but types and shadows...nothing but the revelation of something higher and more glorious could ever wean him from his devotion to the national religion" (Anderson, Types in Hebrews, [Kregel Publications, 1978], p. 114,124).

Cornelius Stam, the founder of the Berean Bible Society, wrote that the author of Hebrews "exhorts them to leave, finally and fully, the religion of Judaism with its shadows, for Christianity, with its substance and reality" (Stam, The Epistle to the Hebrews, [Berean Literature Foundation, 1991], 69).

It seems like the only dispensationalists who actually believe that it is not doctrine for the Body of Christ make up a small minority, made up of the Bullingerites and what I call the Neo-MADs (those who have adopted Bullinger's teaching into their body of beliefs).
 

Interplanner

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Most dispensationalists understand that the doctrine contained in the book of Hebrews is indeed for those in the Body of Christ. They understand that the author of the book is telling those who received the book to leave Judaism.

Sir Robert Anderson wrote that "the distinctive sin with which the Epistle deals is unbelief, and unbelief that savours of apostasy, a going back to Judaism by those who had accepted Christ as the fulfillment of that divine religion...the Epistle to the Hebrews sought to teach him that as a partaker of a heavenly calling, he had to do with heavenly realities, of which the glories of his national cult were but types and shadows...nothing but the revelation of something higher and more glorious could ever wean him from his devotion to the national religion" (Anderson, Types in Hebrews, [Kregel Publications, 1978], p. 114,124).

Cornelius Stam, the founder of the Berean Bible Society, wrote that the author of Hebrews "exhorts them to leave, finally and fully, the religion of Judaism with its shadows, for Christianity, with its substance and reality" (Stam, The Epistle to the Hebrews, [Berean Literature Foundation, 1991], 69).

It seems like the only dispensationalists who actually believe that it is not doctrine for the Body of Christ make up a small minority, made up of the Bullingerites and what I call the Neo-MADs (those who have adopted Bullinger's teaching into their body of beliefs).






OK,...but The more pressing question is whether they believe another go of Judaism is coming. Like RD, STP, Tam, Myst, JohnnyW. And at the same time: why base it on the letter of Hebrews??? They place all the weight on 8:8 instead of on the whole NT message in unison.
 

DAN P

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OK,...but The more pressing question is whether they believe another go of Judaism is coming. Like RD, STP, Tam, Myst, JohnnyW. And at the same time: why base it on the letter of Hebrews??? They place all the weight on 8:8 instead of on the whole NT message in unison.



Hi and there are many verses , like Heb 3:7-19 speaks to Israel !

Heb 6:6:1 and 2 , no more baptism !!

Heb 6:4 , impossible to renew to Repentance !!

And Heb 8:8 and 9 !!

Heb 9:15 as the blood of Christ PAYS for the 1600 years of sacrifice of the OLD COVENANT !!

dan p
 

Interplanner

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Of course they do because that is what the Scriptures reveal.

According to Paul Israel has not been cast away but according to you they have!






That means individuals in it LIKE HIM and the remnant he keeps pointing out. It does not mean the race/state. Actually, it never meant it in the past. That is the surprising thing about the NT speaking about the OT. Gal 4, Rom 9, Heb 11. That's not me.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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The questions stands: why do D'ists champion Hebrews as though it was for Israel, when it refutes/displaces everything about Judaism, and celebrates the fellowship of Zion above instead of on earth? And then fails to mention that it would be on earth-- the 'to-be-shaken' earth, not the indestructible kingdom?

Once you accept that most of the old covenant folks get land, the new covenant folks get the City, and the BOC gets heaven, all of your worries will vanish.
 

Interplanner

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Has God cast away Israel?

Paul answered: "Heaven forbid."

Innerplanner: "He did."





Can you go back to the land without Judaism or vica-verca? Nope. There is none of that in the NT as you can tell from Hebrews and acts 26. Or Rom 11; all of God's mercy has been granted in Christ, who was the Redeemer from Zion and the covenant he made with them, to take away sins.
 
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