ECT Why Christians are interested in all history

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Interplanner

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All you have to do to realize the importance of knowing enough about all history besides church history or the Bible, is to just walk backwards and try to see what the features of the times were about every 100 years going back.

For ex., in 1900, the end of the world was an enormous theme in many Christian groups. There was an expectation that something would take place for the next 100 that was unusual and that the unit of 2000 years was going to matter at the end of that 100. (Compare Y2K for the same reason). In a way, the expectation was right but the time frame didn't matter. The destructive force of uniformitarianism didn't start or end at 1900. The worst out come of it (German Nazism) didn't either. Several similar cults also already existed. Manson was still 60 years away.

In 1800, Paine was trying to end religion once and for all. One constructive outcome was the US 2nd amendment. But Paine actually meant to end much more than that. He went over like Lennon's "Imagine" 170 years later, expressing his ideas not in legal code first, but in pop satire. In the 1800s, another phenomenon took root: European Jews began looking into living in their own place in Israel. That is to say, they did not read the OT through the lense of the NT. For most of Europe and the West, the 'final word' was the apostles on these things. But those in Judaism's meeting places did not accept that, and thought, well, why not? Let's see if we can move down there.

It is only when we embrace and know all the reality of the world we live in, that we realize that 'this is what the Bible says' is the easist and laziest mistake a person can make. There are many other forces at work even when we are handling the Bible.
 

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Ignoring history and being a biblicist and Subscribing to 2P2P is like having a map that only reaches a mile from your house in each direction.
 

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What job was Adam given?
Was it accomplished?
Why do you think the 2nd Adam won't accomplish it?


You're concerned about having dominion over the earth. Well, it meant slightly different things after the 'formless and void' period.

Christ does create a NHNE eventually and that's what direction all that goes. Meanwhile, any way we can help our culture obey Christ, honor him, etc., so that 'His will is done on earth as in heaven' is useful and necessary.

There is no good reason why your topic should be in this thread except for your usual intellectual dishonesty and evasion--or is it just ADD? Some historical instances were mentioned in the OP but as usual you find things to evade knowing, learning, interacting about them, as though they were cholera.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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You're concerned about having dominion over the earth. Well, it meant slightly different things after the 'formless and void' period.

Christ does create a NHNE eventually and that's what direction all that goes. Meanwhile, any way we can help our culture obey Christ, honor him, etc., so that 'His will is done on earth as in heaven' is useful and necessary.

There is no good reason why your topic should be in this thread except for your usual intellectual dishonesty and evasion--or is it just ADD? Some historical instances were mentioned in the OP but as usual you find things to evade knowing, learning, interacting about them, as though they were cholera.

What job was Adam given?
Was it accomplished?
Why do you think the 2nd Adam won't accomplish it?
 

Interplanner

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What job was Adam given?
Was it accomplished?
Why do you think the 2nd Adam won't accomplish it?



Everything is different after the flood.

What matters about the 2nd Adam is covered in Rom 5 B (B = roughly the 2nd half). It is accomplished. There are aspects of the 2nd Adam in I Cor 15 that have to do with immortality that will come, too.

The NHNE will not be identical to this world--physicality itself appears to be altered at best--, but it will be a new creation with a proper successful Adam, who is Christ, who is God.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Everything is different after the flood.

What matters about the 2nd Adam is covered in Rom 5 B (B = roughly the 2nd half). It is accomplished. There are aspects of the 2nd Adam in I Cor 15 that have to do with immortality that will come, too.

The NHNE will not be identical to this world--physicality itself appears to be altered at best--, but it will be a new creation with a proper successful Adam, who is Christ, who is God.

When were the years that the locust had eaten restored?
 

Interplanner

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When were the years that the locust had eaten restored?



In Christ; he is the Yes and Amen of everything God promised. He is the new creation. You don't know him that way; you don't think 'in Christ.' You treat the OT exactly as the non-Christian Jews in the threads next door. Go figure.
 

Interplanner

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Posters on TOL ought to go figure out why nothing you say makes any sense.


I'm sorry you don't know what 'in Christ' means, 2 Cor 3. I'll try to help you work on it. Your minds are full of 2P2P which is a fraud, that's why the NT does not 'make sense.' Like the people who think the new covenant is like the old one. The new is different because it is christ's work for us, Is 42. That's the Servant of the Lord. That's why Paul used that term in Rom 15 concluding how the promises were brought to the nations (and how Christ did Israel's work for it) in doing so. Christ was the servant who accomplished this.
 

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Your mind is full of 1P1P which is a fraud.


saint john w the great: "So there."



The Lord will sum up all things in Christ, says Eph 1, and there is nothing Judaic in that or about it. When Christ who is our life appears, we will also appear. Not 'when Judah and Israel appear in Judea.' Got it? There is one program, embedded in the promises in Gen 12, but only 'in Christ' is the veil taken away.
 
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