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    Hey all,

    What are your thoughts on sin being in the members? What does this mean practically, and how can we experience physical healing if we have sin in our members? Thanks.

  • #2
    Originally posted by therhema View Post
    Hey all,

    What are your thoughts on sin being in the members? What does this mean practically, and how can we experience physical healing if we have sin in our members? Thanks.
    Hi therhema,

    Let us look at this verse:

    "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col.3:5).

    In Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words we read the following:

    "In Col 3:5, "mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;" since our bodies and their "members" belong to the earth, and are the instruments of sin, they are referred to as such (cp. Mat 5:29, 30; Rom 7:5, 23, mentioned above); the putting to death is not physical, but ethical; as the physical "members" have distinct individualities, so those evils, of which the physical "members" are agents, are by analogy regarded as examples of the way in which the "members" work if not put to death; this is not precisely the same as "the old man," ver. 9, i.e., the old nature, though there is a connection."

    I hope this helps.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
      Hi therhema,

      Let us look at this verse:

      "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col.3:5).

      In Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words we read the following:

      "In Col 3:5, "mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;" since our bodies and their "members" belong to the earth, and are the instruments of sin, they are referred to as such (cp. Mat 5:29, 30; Rom 7:5, 23, mentioned above); the putting to death is not physical, but ethical; as the physical "members" have distinct individualities, so those evils, of which the physical "members" are agents, are by analogy regarded as examples of the way in which the "members" work if not put to death; this is not precisely the same as "the old man," ver. 9, i.e., the old nature, though there is a connection."

      I hope this helps.
      Yes. So if the sin condition lies in our members, how can we experience God's healing in our physical body? In other words, knowing that the wages of sin is death, how can our mortal flesh experience divine healing and life?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by therhema View Post
        Hey all,

        What are your thoughts on sin being in the members? What does this mean practically, and how can we experience physical healing if we have sin in our members? Thanks.
        Paul was speaking symbolically as Jesus also did here....


        Mark 9:43-48

        43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

        44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

        45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

        46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

        47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

        48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

        This of course is not speaking of removing physical body parts, but rather cutting off sin, or putting to death sin that is at work in our lives. Sin is first conceived in the heart and is a spiritual matter, Jesus said it is that which comes forth from the heart that defiles a man, which is why we must be born again and given a new heart/mind/spirit from God.

        Then by the Spirit of Christ and His righteousness working in us we can then put to death sin that used to work in us, and be made free from sin by being made a new creature in Christ.

        Jesus said cleanse first the inside of the vessel and then the outside will become clean.

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        • #5
          That makes sense. So instead of demonizing the physical man like the gnostics did, we are to put to death the deeds of the flesh, allowing the Spirit to bring life to our whole man (spirit, soul, body).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by I.S.I.T. View Post
            Paul was speaking symbolically as Jesus also did here....


            Mark 9:43-48

            43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

            44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

            45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

            46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

            47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

            48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

            This of course is not speaking of removing physical body parts, but rather cutting off sin, or putting to death sin that is at work in our lives. Sin is first conceived in the heart and is a spiritual matter, Jesus said it is that which comes forth from the heart that defiles a man, which is why we must be born again and given a new heart/mind/spirit from God.

            Then by the Spirit of Christ and His righteousness working in us we can then put to death sin that used to work in us, and be made free from sin by being made a new creature in Christ.

            Jesus said cleanse first the inside of the vessel and then the outside will become clean.
            Excellent post!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by therhema View Post
              Yes. So if the sin condition lies in our members...
              Actually, sin is inherent in our soul. The soul that sins will die.

              Jesus said, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28 NET).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by therhema View Post
                That makes sense. So instead of demonizing the physical man like the gnostics did, we are to put to death the deeds of the flesh, allowing the Spirit to bring life to our whole man (spirit, soul, body).
                I'm not sure what you mean by demonizing the physical man, but our flesh is sinful, without God, we lust after the things of this world and the things that satisfy our flesh. The holy spirit opens our eyes and shows us what we are doing wrong before God, and those are the things that we are to deny. Once we know it's wrong to do it, and we are pricked in our conscience either to do something or not to do it, we should listen.

                To cut it off, is to stop doing the things we know that we are doing wrong before God. We are to die to self, which means to put to death to the lusts of our flesh, so that sin will be put to death in our hearts, by the spirit, and we stop doing the things we did wrong before we knew God, they start to go, and through Jesus Christ our old man dies and we are brought to life through Christ by the spirit.

                Paul said"I die daily' he was denying his flesh every day and he was strong in the spirit, and the more we obey Gods will and deny our flesh, the stronger we become in God, and as we decrease, Christ will increase in us, and we will be strong in the spirit, and the stronger we become in the spirit, the more we will overcome sin and we will have a stronger conscience and we will be living to please God.

                Jesus came and showed us the way, he didn't live by his will, but by the will of God. He denied himself and it says in the Bible that he came as an example for us to follow. And we are to overcome as he overcame, we are to overcome Satan and this world, to overcome evil with good. And Christ by the spirit will strengthen us and help us to do so, as long as we keep faith and obey the living God. Without Gods grace and without Christ, we have no hope.

                Love is the key, Jesus came full of love, mercy and forgiveness, and once we are born of God, our hearts will be like his, and just as Jesus overcame Satan with love, we will also overcome him with the love of Christ in our hearts and by the power of the holy spirit, and we will love others as he did and we will bring the love of Christ to all those we meet. You will know Gods true people by their fruits, and you will see the life of Christ in and through them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by therhema View Post
                  Yes. So if the sin condition lies in our members, how can we experience God's healing in our physical body?
                  Healing your physical body is not his concern. Receiving his life, and later the glorified body that does not covet is the concern. My grace is sufficient for you.
                  Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  Titus 1

                  For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                  Ephesians 5

                  11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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