ECT Israel's Prophetic Clock stopped in 70AD, not in Mid Acts

john w

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They are united in Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus is the King.



The kingdom of God is an unshakable kingdom. Those in the kingdom will never have to beat their plowshares into swords to defend it.

Your problem is that you think the kingdom is supposed to be on some land in the Middle East. It's not, and it never will be. The kingdom of God is not of this world.



It was fulfilled in Christ Jesus.




Rest is found only in Christ Jesus, not a piece of land in the Middle East.

(Matt 11:28) "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Joshua was a typology of Christ Jesus. Joshua led people into a physical promised land to have physical rest from bondage. Christ Jesus has led those in Him into a spiritual Promised Land were we have rest from the bondage of sin.

Greasy slime ball, with your "It was fulfiled in Christ Jesus," as that satanic dodge, you use, to answer any question. And stuff your also satanic "rest is found only in Christ Jesus, not a piece of land in the Middle East" cliche, which is sophistry, and plagiarism, and deceit.

Listen up, weasel. Many literal events, people, are typologies, but that does not necessiate that literal events,involving literal people, will not be fulfilled, according to prophecy, and the LORD God's promises.

You wicked "replacement" "theology" wolf, as you have been taught, by your daddy the devil, to eliminate the remnant of the nation Israel.....The devil has been attempting that since "Day One," and he is teaching you that. He, and you will fail, as the LORD God sends both of you, and all of your ilk, into the lake of fire. We smell your sulfur, on this site, you pathetic weasel. Leave TOL. You litter this site.
 

john w

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Christ Jesus sits on His throne right now, in the kingdom.


Made up. He is on the right hand of God the Father, on God the Father's throne, in the third heaven, you greasy weasel.


He isn't coming back to planet earth to sit on a man made throne in the Middle East.

His "man made" spam. Yes, He is, greasy weasel.


Tell us, greasy weasel: Was the cross "man made?" Was the manger "man made?" Was the tabernacle "man made?" Was the house in which the Lord Jesus Christ lived as a child, "man made?" Did He wear "man made" clothes?"


Do you attend a "man made" church?

That is this greasy weasel Tellalie's MO on TOL-sophistry, deception, spam.


He won't touch this post.
 

john w

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Christ Jesus sits on His throne right now, in the kingdom.

He isn't coming back to planet earth to sit on a man made throne in the Middle East.

Not only does Dispensationalism teach such a heresy, it also teaches there's going to be a third temple, and that Jesus will sit on His man made throne in the third temple while animal sacrifices for sin atonement take place.



Ain't gonna.

Christ Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets.

You should really turn to Christ Jesus instead of worrying about a piece of land in the Middle East that is currently occupied by Christ rejecting people whom Jesus said their father was Satan.

Shut up, with your satanic "man made throne" sophistry spam, as it's been addressed before, many times, you lying punk. It means NADA, as if God would even give man that responsibility, you punk. And no scripture asserts this "man made" satanic cliche.

Again, for the babes,the sheep, to protect them from satanic droids, such as Craigie, the greasy Preterist weasel,clearing the fog on "dwelleth not in temples made with hands;", which stupid Craigie deceivingly morphs into "man made temple," and says, "See!!!"

The LORD God did live/dwell, in the Tabernacle, deceiver-was it "man made? Rhetorical q.

Was the cross "man made?"

The context:



Acts 17 KJV ff.

Of whom and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what preceded, and what follows(Miles Coverdale paraphrase).

The audience in Athens?
In the synagogue at Athens, Paul "reasoned" that this Jesus was the Messiah, the Christ, proving it from the scriptures. However, in the market place, he used other arguments to persuade the Grecian "opponents" (some other appear later @ Mars Hill).

"Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection." Acts 17:18 KJV

Paul's task on Mars Hill was to preach Jesus Christ, but his listeners did not even know there was a one true God.

"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. ]Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." Acts 17:23 KJV

Biblically, "ignorant" does not mean "stupid"-it merely means "lack of knowledge." In this context, they were ignorant of the true knowledge of God.


There were approximately 3,000 public altars in Athens. And hence:

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;" Acts 17:24 KJV(see Acts 7:48 KJV)


"Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;" Acts 17:25 KJV

Paganism is characterized by a physical activity, or something done with men's hands.

That was Paul's point, and the context in which "dwelleth not in temples made with hands;" was given.


The Epicureans, "philosophers", highly "cultivated", artistic people, materialists.....but they did not know God(neither did the Stoicks).Paul was introducing them to the one true God, the One who created them and everything else. Thus, just as the Lord Jesus Christ spoke quite differently to the young woman with a bucket of water in John 4, than He did to "Professor Nic" just one chapter earlier in John 3, Paul needed, and understood, that he had to "come down the ladder", "begin with the basics", in the ladder of truth-baby steps, if you will. He thus set forth, verses 23-31, God's unity, His glory as creator( per Gen. 1:1 KJV,Hebrews 11:6 KJV...), and thus His inherent right to judge His creatures, His manifestation/revelation of who He was in Christ, " he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained", the resurrection of His Christ, "in that he hath raised him from the dead", and the delegation of future judgment to that same man, the Lord Jesus Christ. In effect, He did preach "Jesus", and the resurrection of the dead(verse 18) to them, as being God, who they knew not. He may have developed his theme, as initially outlined in Chapter 13, including preaching mankind's doom due to sin, and the solution to this dilemma, the Jesus of whom they had heard(verse 18), but first they had to know "the basics":The day of Repentance("change your mind"-verses 27-30)), the day of Judgment(God Exists-verses 27-30), the day of ignorance(verse 30). And then leaves, after they divided themselves into 3 groups:

-mockers, scoffers v. 32
-"put it off 'til later" types=procrastinators-"We will hear thee again of this matter" v. 32
-believers-verse 34

The principle confirmed:

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6 KJV

First step-persuade the person that God exists-baby step, "plant the seed.". If he/she rejects that, you are "rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Titanic." It would be akin to trying to persuade someone that the grass is green, when they do not believe grass exists.For the first time in their lives the Athenians were introduced to a God who is a living person; One with Whom man could communicate, One Who was accessible. And they needed to "change their mind" about this issue.

This won't stop deceiver Tellalie Craigie. Watch his father, the devil, talk through him....watch...
 

Tambora

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Yes, and with Christ sitting on the throne of David at His second coming.

Hasn't happened....yet!
I know!

Sad that some see when physical Israel entered and took the physical land under Joshua that is was a legitimate fulfillment of prophesy; but when prophesy says that Israel will once again be a united nation back in their own land never to be uprooted again, whoosh --- the legitimacy of the prophecy being physical/historical goes out the window.
Such is the tactic of replacement theology.
 

steko

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Yeah, I know you know.
Trouble is, others could know but fight against knowing.

Sad that some see when physical Israel entered and took the physical land under Joshua that is was a legitimate fulfillment of prophesy; but when prophesy says that Israel will once again be a united nation back in their own land never to be uprooted again, whoosh --- the legitimacy of the prophecy being physical/historical goes out the window.
Such is the tactic of replacement theology.

Whoosh!!
 

Aletheiophile

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Honey, the southern and northern kingdoms of Israel have not yet been united again as one kingdom, and they are not yet back in the land together as one.
There has never been a time when both were united in the land with peace and safety, never to be uprooted again.
But there will be because God gave His oath.

Shall we take a look at what the author of Hebrews says?

Hebrews 4:8-9 KJV
(8) For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Um...yeah. They have. I just told you how. Simple historical facts.

And as Tet said, the rest for the people of God is CHRIST. None other.

Why does this matter so much to you? Why does the promise have to be unfulfilled? Why is this so important that you contradict 2000 years of church history? Are you physical Israel and feel you've missed out?
 

tetelestai

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but when prophesy says that Israel will once again be a united nation back in their own land never to be uprooted again, whoosh --- the legitimacy of the prophecy being physical/historical goes out the window.
Such is the tactic of replacement theology.

Solomon was king when he built his temple.

Christ Jesus had to be a king in order to build His temple (the church). Those in Christ are the temple of God, it's our bodies that are the temple, the church.

(John 2:19) Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."


Jesus wasn't hinting about building a new stone temple in three days. He was speaking of a spiritual temple, where believers are the lively stones. It's a temple where Christ Jesus is the Cornerstone, and the Apostles the foundation.

The claim that Jesus is going to return and rebuild a stone temple is heresy.

"No reason to bring Christ back to earth as his work is finished here:
1. His mission of redemption is complete: Eph 1:7-10; Col 1:13-14
2. His revelation is complete: Eph 3:1-10; Jude 3
3. His authority is complete: Matthew 28:18; Eph 1:20-21
4. His kingdom is complete: Col 1:13; Heb 12:28
5. His throne is Complete: Heb 4:13 Rev 3:21
6. His name is complete: Eph 1:22; Col 3:17; Phil 2:9-10
7. His glory is complete: Lk 24:25; 1 Pe 1:20-21

(God's Prophetic word, Foy E. Wallace, p 193, 1945)"
 

1Mind1Spirit

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Shut up, with your satanic "man made throne" sophistry spam, as it's been addressed before, many times, you lying punk. It means NADA, as if God would even give man that responsibility, you punk. And no scripture asserts this "man made" satanic cliche.

Again, for the babes,the sheep, to protect them from satanic droids, such as Craigie, the greasy Preterist weasel,clearing the fog on "dwelleth not in temples made with hands;", which stupid Craigie deceivingly morphs into "man made temple," and says, "See!!!"

The LORD God did live/dwell, in the Tabernacle, deceiver-was it "man made? Rhetorical q.

Was the cross "man made?"

The context:



Acts 17 KJV ff.

Of whom and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what preceded, and what follows(Miles Coverdale paraphrase).

The audience in Athens?
In the synagogue at Athens, Paul "reasoned" that this Jesus was the Messiah, the Christ, proving it from the scriptures. However, in the market place, he used other arguments to persuade the Grecian "opponents" (some other appear later @ Mars Hill).

"Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection." Acts 17:18 KJV

Paul's task on Mars Hill was to preach Jesus Christ, but his listeners did not even know there was a one true God.

"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. ]Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." Acts 17:23 KJV

Biblically, "ignorant" does not mean "stupid"-it merely means "lack of knowledge." In this context, they were ignorant of the true knowledge of God.


There were approximately 3,000 public altars in Athens. And hence:

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;" Acts 17:24 KJV(see Acts 7:48 KJV)


"Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;" Acts 17:25 KJV

Paganism is characterized by a physical activity, or something done with men's hands.

That was Paul's point, and the context in which "dwelleth not in temples made with hands;" was given.


The Epicureans, "philosophers", highly "cultivated", artistic people, materialists.....but they did not know God(neither did the Stoicks).Paul was introducing them to the one true God, the One who created them and everything else. Thus, just as the Lord Jesus Christ spoke quite differently to the young woman with a bucket of water in John 4, than He did to "Professor Nic" just one chapter earlier in John 3, Paul needed, and understood, that he had to "come down the ladder", "begin with the basics", in the ladder of truth-baby steps, if you will. He thus set forth, verses 23-31, God's unity, His glory as creator( per Gen. 1:1 KJV,Hebrews 11:6 KJV...), and thus His inherent right to judge His creatures, His manifestation/revelation of who He was in Christ, " he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained", the resurrection of His Christ, "in that he hath raised him from the dead", and the delegation of future judgment to that same man, the Lord Jesus Christ. In effect, He did preach "Jesus", and the resurrection of the dead(verse 18) to them, as being God, who they knew not. He may have developed his theme, as initially outlined in Chapter 13, including preaching mankind's doom due to sin, and the solution to this dilemma, the Jesus of whom they had heard(verse 18), but first they had to know "the basics":The day of Repentance("change your mind"-verses 27-30)), the day of Judgment(God Exists-verses 27-30), the day of ignorance(verse 30). And then leaves, after they divided themselves into 3 groups:

-mockers, scoffers v. 32
-"put it off 'til later" types=procrastinators-"We will hear thee again of this matter" v. 32
-believers-verse 34

The principle confirmed:

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6 KJV

First step-persuade the person that God exists-baby step, "plant the seed.". If he/she rejects that, you are "rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Titanic." It would be akin to trying to persuade someone that the grass is green, when they do not believe grass exists.For the first time in their lives the Athenians were introduced to a God who is a living person; One with Whom man could communicate, One Who was accessible. And they needed to "change their mind" about this issue.

This won't stop deceiver Tellalie Craigie. Watch his father, the devil, talk through him....watch...

There were only two groups.

You are implying that they did not believe there was a God.

Yet they had a sign declaring Him, but was unknown by them.

Not only that but Paul reminded them of their own poets writing about Him.

Once again Johnny, yer ignorance of scripture has blown madist heresy outta the water.

:jawdrop:
 

tetelestai

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He doesn't want Messiah to sit on the throne of David, either.

Satan was defeated at the cross.

Why in the world would you still think Satan has power to prevent Christ Jesus from doing something (even though it has been fulfilled)?

(Rom 16:20) The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet....

I believe what the Apostle Paul said 1,900+ years ago. I believe Satan was crushed in the first century.

Since you're a Dispy, you have to make the word "soon" mean 1,900+ years (and still counting), and claim that what Paul said in Rom 16:20 hasn't happened yet.

Maybe that's why you actually think that Satan could still stop Christ Jesus from doing something?

Not me, Christ Jesus is King of kings, and Lord of lords. Satan was crushed. Satan has no power over my Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
 

Tambora

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The claim that Jesus is going to return and rebuild a stone temple is heresy.
Haven't mentioned a stone temple.

I have mentioned that the whole nation of Israel was promised to be regathered into their own land, never to be uprooted again.

If that happened spiritually in Christ, then there is no need for any prophesy to be fulfilled physically.
Meaning that there was no need for the prophesy of Israel's return to the land from the Babylonian captivity to ever come true physically.

But just as God promised that Israel would return to their land from the Babylonian captivity, He also has promised to regather the whole nation of Israel back to their land, never to be uprooted again.
If one didn't have to happen physically, then neither did the other.
So, spirituallizing some of the promises, but insisting the others had to be physical is not going to cut it.
 

john w

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There were only two groups.

You are implying that they did not believe there was a God.

Yet they had a sign declaring Him, but was unknown by them.

Not only that but Paul reminded them of their own poets writing about Him.

Once again Johnny, yer ignorance of scripture has blown madist heresy outta the water.

:jawdrop:
Translated: Junkie Jeffie's MO on TOL-little scripture, just spamming a few verses, w/o "connecting the dots," and humanism, and grunts, and snorts, and "In my opinion," followed by another , "In my opinion."


Real tough guy, aren't you Jeffie, with your "Johnny" quip. Kissing your fellow devil child Craigie Tellalie's boots, by imitating him? You like man pleasing, don't you, Jeffie?




"outta"-Jeffie

And you are going to "learn" us "the Greek," and English, and judge on biblical literacy, are you, "pardner?"


You can't touch me, biblically, punk. My evidence? Above.


Get off the pot, you junkie.
 
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