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  • Originally posted by Faither View Post
    I'm going to start giving examples of how the authors meant pisteuo to be understood . Hope it will help .
    Why do you think this is so important?
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    • First obedience then faith . . .example Abraham


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAwuKUHKKBw
      Last edited by Cross Reference; August 27th, 2018, 12:42 PM.
      "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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      • First obedience then faith 2 . . . example Isaac. Love< obedience< endless faith.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzYX5uU5jzw
        "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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        • Originally posted by Faither View Post
          The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.

          I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.

          With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"

          "Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".

          When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
          "faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".

          Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.
          Pisteuo is how NT Faith is applied .

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          • Originally posted by Faither View Post
            Pisteuo is how NT Faith is applied .
            You mean believing as the scriptures reveal it to be? Like Abraham and Isaac exampled? I get it. We all get it. Thank you. Now what part of that do you "believe" sets you "universally" apart from everyone else who understands what loving and believing God entails?
            "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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            • Originally posted by Faither View Post
              The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.

              I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.

              With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"

              "Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".

              When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
              "faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".

              Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.

              Vines Greek dictionary definition of NT faithing or or the mistranslated word believe .

              " A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

              Anything other than this specific continual act of Faith like " believing in God's word ," Obedience to God's word " , even surrendering your life to God's word " is not true NT saving Faith .

              The only act of faithing that saves is the continually surrendered life to Jesus Christ , the real living person .

              If your new , looking for a way to know Christ , do not listen to anyone promoting a starting of a relationship with Christ by Obedience or believing in Him or His word . We must choose in this world what we are going to surrender our lives to , Jesus the person , or a thousand other possibilities .

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              • "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15 (KJV)

                Note: It does NOT say they all came out of the graves and went to hell; that some of their names, by how it reads, are be written in the book of life, because as we can rightly assume, will be because of their GOOD WORKS. Perhaps tribes of people who lived in favor of God without ever hearing the name the Name of Jesus.


                And for those who will rule and reign with Christ per Rev 12:5 KJV.


                "And THEY shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it [Jerusalem] any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." Revelation 21:26,27 (KJV)
                "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                  Vines Greek dictionary definition of NT faithing or or the mistranslated word believe .

                  " A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender ."

                  Anything other than this specific continual act of Faith like " believing in God's word ," Obedience to God's word " , even surrendering your life to God's word " is not true NT saving Faith .

                  The only act of faithing that saves is the continually surrendered life to Jesus Christ , the real living person .

                  If your new , looking for a way to know Christ , do not listen to anyone promoting a starting of a relationship with Christ by Obedience or believing in Him or His word . We must choose in this world what we are going to surrender our lives to , Jesus the person , or a thousand other possibilities .

                  We don't need to discover any new truths , we need to rediscover the old truths .


                  Can pisteuo or true NT Faith and faithing be rediscovered ?

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                  • August 29th

                    Sublime intimacy

                    "Said I not unto thee, that if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?" John 11:40.

                    Every time you venture out in the life of faith, you will find something in your commonsense circumstances that flatly contradicts your faith. Common sense is not faith, and faith is not common sense; they stand in the relation of the natural and the spiritual. Can you trust Jesus Christ where your common sense cannot trust Him? Can you venture heroically on Jesus Christ’s statements when the facts of your commonsense life shout ‘It’s a lie’? On the mount it is easy to say—‘Oh yes, I believe God can do it’; but you have to come down into the demon-possessed valley and meet with facts that laugh ironically at the whole of your mount-of-transfiguration belief. Every time my programme of belief is clear to my own mind, I come across something that contradicts it. Let me say I believe God will supply all my need, and then let me run dry, with no outlook, and see whether I will go through the trial of faith, or whether I will sink back to something lower.

                    Faith must be tested, because it can be turned into a personal possession only through conflict. What is your faith up against just now? The test will either prove that your faith is right, or it will kill it. “Blessed is he whosoever shall not be offended in Me.” The final thing is confidence in Jesus. Believe steadfastly on Him and all you come up against will develop your faith. There is continual testing in the life of faith, and the last great test is death. May God keep us in fighting trim! Faith is unutterable trust in God which never dreams that He will not stand by us.

                    Oswald Chambers
                    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                    • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                      August 29th

                      Sublime intimacy

                      "Said I not unto thee, that if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?" John 11:40.

                      Every time you venture out in the life of faith, you will find something in your commonsense circumstances that flatly contradicts your faith. Common sense is not faith, and faith is not common sense; they stand in the relation of the natural and the spiritual. Can you trust Jesus Christ where your common sense cannot trust Him? Can you venture heroically on Jesus Christ’s statements when the facts of your commonsense life shout ‘It’s a lie’? On the mount it is easy to say—‘Oh yes, I believe God can do it’; but you have to come down into the demon-possessed valley and meet with facts that laugh ironically at the whole of your mount-of-transfiguration belief. Every time my programme of belief is clear to my own mind, I come across something that contradicts it. Let me say I believe God will supply all my need, and then let me run dry, with no outlook, and see whether I will go through the trial of faith, or whether I will sink back to something lower.

                      Faith must be tested, because it can be turned into a personal possession only through conflict. What is your faith up against just now? The test will either prove that your faith is right, or it will kill it. “Blessed is he whosoever shall not be offended in Me.” The final thing is confidence in Jesus. Believe steadfastly on Him and all you come up against will develop your faith. There is continual testing in the life of faith, and the last great test is death. May God keep us in fighting trim! Faith is unutterable trust in God which never dreams that He will not stand by us.

                      Oswald Chambers
                      Thanks Cross reference for this example of perversion ( backwards understanding ) in today's church world .

                      Everything Oswald Chambers says is based on the mistranslatied word " believe " .

                      The proof Osawld Chambers is teaching a perverted or backwards message is when he speaks of believing and trust , it's based on the expectation of recieving something in return for that belief and trust .

                      True NT saving Faith and faithing is applied by the continually surrendered life . Like in a battlefield , the only expectation we should have when truly surrendering our lives , is to be a slave to the one who we are surrendering to

                      Not only Oswald Chambers , but 99% of the church world today is promoting a vending machine type of faith , where we put in the coin and out comes the reward . Or , somekind of business deal kind of faith .

                      Beware called out ones ! And thanks again CR for this really good example .

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                      • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                        Thanks Cross reference for this example of perversion ( backwards understanding ) in today's church world .

                        Everything Oswald Chambers says is based on the mistranslatied word " believe " .

                        The proof Osawld Chambers is teaching a perverted or backwards message is when he speaks of believing and trust , it's based on the expectation of recieving something in return for that belief and trust .

                        True NT saving Faith and faithing is applied by the continually surrendered life . Like in a battlefield , the only expectation we should have when truly surrendering our lives , is to be a slave to the one who we are surrendering to

                        Not only Oswald Chambers , but 99% of the church world today is promoting a vending machine type of faith , where we put in the coin and out comes the reward . Or , somekind of business deal kind of faith .

                        Beware called out ones ! And thanks again CR for this really good example .
                        And thank you for your confession.
                        "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                        • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                          And thank you for your confession.

                          Pisteuo isn't a confession , it's the way we as called out ones connect with our Lord Jesus Christ .

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                          • . . . . . <yawn>
                            "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                            • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                              Thanks Cross reference for this example of perversion ( backwards understanding ) in today's church world .

                              Everything Oswald Chambers says is based on the mistranslatied word " believe " .

                              The proof Osawld Chambers is teaching a perverted or backwards message is when he speaks of believing and trust , it's based on the expectation of recieving something in return for that belief and trust .

                              True NT saving Faith and faithing is applied by the continually surrendered life . Like in a battlefield , the only expectation we should have when truly surrendering our lives , is to be a slave to the one who we are surrendering to

                              Not only Oswald Chambers , but 99% of the church world today is promoting a vending machine type of faith , where we put in the coin and out comes the reward . Or , somekind of business deal kind of faith .

                              Beware called out ones ! And thanks again CR for this really good example .
                              Thanks again CR for this example of the backwards understanding of the Salvation process .

                              It's not really Oswald's fault , he just got tripped up by the mistranslation like everyone else .

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                              • Consider it all your fault that you don't understand and that by your cultish approach to it is agnosticism at its best..
                                "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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