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    Introduction – Modern scholarship in the area of Biblical literature has seen its share of divisive and atomistic theories. While it is a good thing to read an individual authors’ work for what it is, rather than read into it ideas that are foreign, too much has been made of the supposed conflicts and contradictions between Biblical authors. This is especially the case with John’s Gospel vis-à-vis the synoptics. What is too often missing, is a careful read and discerning eye as to what John was intending to do in writing a latter fourth Gospel with the background information of the first three already at hand and known. Was it to contradict and correct the received narrative, or was it to augment and give perspective to it? A careful study of the fourth Gospel will reveal there are no necessary contradictions or corrections, at least not in the actual textual information. John’s Gospel may be a corrective to the way the synoptic narrative is perceived, but there is no actual correction of the facts as they are stated.* Rather, John is revealing recollected additional information that fills out and complements the first three Gospels. If the synoptics are a “together view” John is an independent view. May we not see Matthew, Mark and Luke as comprising the strong right eye and John as the crucial left eye that gives depth and stereoscopic perspective? Complementary not conflicting, John should be, must be, read/seen with both eyes open, along with (syn) not apart from the synoptic history.
    * The one possible correction might come in the timing of the events of Jesus’ last week, specifically the crucifixion. Mark 15:25 has Jesus being crucified about 9:00 am. John tells us that it wasn’t until around noon that Pilate gave into the demands for crucifixion, Jn. 19:14. Even here there may be a possible resolution depending on how the whole process was being viewed.

    John’s Additional Information – “The Rest of the Story” as Compared to the Synoptics
    Yes Indeed; That’s True … But Did You Know…?
    Jesus was miraculously conceived by the virgin Mary and born under some pretty amazing circumstances. Mt. 1&2; Lk. 1&2 Jesus is the Word of God and existed with the Father before his human incarnation. Jn. 1:1-18
    Jesus did call Andrew and Peter, James and John at their work and instantly they followed him. Mt. 4:18-22; Mk. 1:14-20 Jesus met these men as well as Philip and Nathanael before that event. Jn. 1:35-51
    Jesus began an amazing ministry based in Capernaum with miracles and teaching through out Galilee after John the Baptist was imprisoned. Mt. 4:12; Mk. 1:14-15 Jesus 1st miracle was at Cana. He began his public ministry in Jerusalem at Passover, moving to the Judean countryside, then through Samaria and finally back to Galilee, while John the Baptist was still ministering. Jn. 2-4
    Jesus had a rocky reception at his hometown of Nazareth. Mt. 13:53-58; Mk. 6:1-6; Lk. 4:14-30 Jesus generated great excitement beginning in Galilee because many had seen and heard him at Passover. Jn. 4:43-45
    Jesus spent a lot of time in Galilee. Mt. 4:12-17, Mk. 1:14, Lk. 4:14 Jesus made frequent excursions to Judea and Jerusalem particularly around the feasts. Jn. 2:13, 3:22, 5:1, 6:4, 7:1-14, 10:22&40, 11:17-18&54, 12:1&12
    Jesus spoke in many parables. Mt. 13:34-35; Mk. 4:33-34; Lk. 8:10 Jesus also gave many long discourses and had dialogues with people. See chart.
    Jesus spent a good deal of time with common folk. Mt. 4:23-5:1; Mk. 1:32-39; Lk. 6:17-19 Jesus had the ear of members of the Council/Sanhedrin and some came to believe in him. Jn. 3:1-21, 11:45, 12:9-11,42-43, 19:38-42
    Jesus interacted a lot with Peter, James and John. Mt. 17:1-13; Mk. 1:29, 5:35-43, 9:2-13; Lk. 8:51-56, 9:28-36 Jesus had significant interactions with others of the 12 disciples as well. Jn. 1:35-51, 6:7-8, 11:16, 12:4-8, 20-22, 13:26-30, 14:5, 8&22, 20:24-29
    Jesus had trouble making contact with the Samaritans who refused to see him. Lk. 9:51-55 Jesus dialogued with Samaritans and many came to believe in him. Jn. 4:4-42
    Jesus was targeted for death by Caiaphas, the high priest and certain members of the Council. Mt. 26:3-5; Mk. 11:18; Lk. 19:47-48 Caiaphas unwittingly uttered prophetic words about the necessity of Jesus death. Lazarus was also put on the hit list. Jn. 11:49-53, 12:10-11
    Jesus was anointed by a woman at a dinner party in the house of a certain man named Simon. This led to complaints by certain disciples of the waste of money. Mt. 26:6-16; Mk. 14:3-11; Lk. 7:36-50 The woman who anointed him was Mary of Bethany. And the rebuke Jesus handed down over the complaint seems to have triggered Judas Iscariot’s betrayal. Jn. 12:1-11
    The voice of God was heard two times in Jesus’ ministry. Mt. 3:17, 17:5; Mk. 1:11, 9:7; Lk. 3:22, 9:35 At the culmination of his public ministry God spoke a third time. 12:28-29
    Jesus kept the tradition of the Passover with his disciples.
    The traditional Passover begins with the celebrant washing his hands – Pilate washed his hands. Mt. 27:24
    In the traditional Passover, the lamb is brought out and presented for all to behold and God is acknowledged as Israel’s King.
    Jesus transformed the Passover into the New Covenant.

    Jesus washed the disciples feet. Jn. 13:1-

    Pilate presented Jesus to the people with the words, “Behold the Man!” Jn. 19:5 cf. 1:29 &36 and “Behold your King!” 19:14
    Jesus had his last supper with all the apostles. Mt. 26:20-30; Mk. 14:17-26; Lk. 22:14-38 Judas left right before Jesus instituted the first eucharist/communion – the New Covenant. Jn. 13:30
    Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail in what was about to happen (Crucifixion). Lk. 22:31-32 Jesus prayed for the preservation of all the apostles (and those who would believe in future through their testimony) except Judas! Jn. 17:9-12
    Jesus was arrested on the Mt. of Olives with only a minor scuffle resulting in injury to a servant of the high priest. Mt. 26:36-56; Mk. 14:32-52; Lk. 2:39-54 Jesus’ words, “I AM” were enough to bowl over his opposition! Peter was the swordsman and Malchus was the injured servant. Jn. 18:1-12
    Jesus was led away to be examined by the high priest Caiaphas. Mt. 26:57; Mk. 14:53; Lk. 22:54 The first stop was Annas, former high priest and influential father-in-law of Caiaphas. Jn. 18:12-14, 19-24
    Peter’s thrice denial of Jesus took place before various people crowded around the fire at the courtyard of the high priest. Mt. 26:69-75; Mk. 14:66-72; Lk. 22:54-62 In the last denial a relative of Malchus who had been with the arresting party on the Mt of Olives recognized Peter. Jn. 18:26
    Jesus specifically predicted the kind of death he would undergo – at the direction of the Sanhedrin, being handed over to the Romans to be crucified. Mt. 16:21, 20:17-19, 26:2; Mk. 8:31, 10:32-34; Lk. 24:7 Only the Romans could legally execute someone in Judea. This authority had been stripped from the Jewish nation when Jesus was a youth thus fulfilling an ancient prophecy. Jn. 18:31-32 cf. Gn. 49:10
    Herod found no fault in Jesus worthy of death and at least three times Pilate appealing to the crowd found Jesus innocent. Mt. 27:11-26; Mk. 15:1-20; Lk. 23:1-25 Pilate brought out Jesus, flogged and dressed in the purple robe and crown of thorns with the ironic words, “Behold the Man!” Jn. 19:1-5 cf. Jn. 1:29&36
    As he sat on the judge’s seat, Pilate’s wife sent him a warning of a dream she had suffered concerning Jesus. Mt. 27:19 The place of the judge’s seat was The Stone Pavement (Aramaic = Gabbatha). It was about the sixth hour (high noon). Jn. 19:13-14
    Pilate had wanted to keep Jesus from execution, but in the end surrendered Jesus to the will of the mob. Mt. 27:11-26; Mk. 15:1-15; Lk. 23:1-25 The final straw was a political threat to have Pilate’s status as a “Friend of Caesar” challenged. Jn. 19:12
    Pilate “washed his hands” of the capital judgment and the crowd took the responsibility for it. Mt. 27:24-25 Pilate brought Jesus out for judgment with the words, “Behold your king!” The crowd responded, “We have no king but Caesar” Jn. 19:14-16
    A sign fastened to Jesus’ cross said, “This is Jesus, king of the Jews.” Mt. 27:37; Mk. 15:26 The sign was in three different languages – Aramaic, Latin and Greek. Jn. 19:19-20 The Jewish leaders didn’t like Pilate’s phraseology, but he refused to change it. 21-22
    The soldiers cast lots for Jesus’ clothing. Mt. 27:, Mk. 15: ; Lk. 23: One of the garments was seamless, woven from top to bottom, and that was worth casting lots for. Jn. 19:23-24
    Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and Salome, mother of James and John Zebedee were at the cross. Mt. 27:55-56; Mk. 15:40-41 Mary the mother of Jesus was there, along with her “sister” who may be identified as Salome! Jn. 19:25-27
    A sponge full of vinegar was lifted to Jesus on a stick. Mt. 27:48; Mk. 15:36; Lk. 23:36 A stalk of hyssop was used to get the vinegar to Jesus. Jn. 19:29
    About 3:00 pm when darkness had come over the land Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” and expired. Mt. 27:50; Mk. 15:37; Lk. 23:46 Jesus said, “It is finished,” bowed his head and delivered over his Spirit. Jn. 19:30
    As evening approached because it was Preparation for the Sabbath, the bodies of the convicts were not left hanging as was customary in crucifixions. Mt. 27:57&62; Mk. 15:42; Lk. 23:54 In order to hasten the deaths of the convicts (crucifixion sometimes went on for days) the request was made to break their legs thus impeding them from straightening up and taking breath. Jesus was already dead and so his legs were not broken as the Scripture predicted. Jn. 19:31- 33, 36
    Pilate did not initially believe that Jesus had died so soon and so he requested proof from the centurion on duty. Mk. 15:44-45 Perhaps in order to be sure Jesus was dead, a soldier pierced Jesus’ side. Blood and “water” exuded from the wound, thus fulfilling another Scripture. Jn. 19:34-37
    Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for Jesus’ body and laid it in his own new tomb. Mt. 27:57-61; Mk. 15:42-47; Lk. 23:50-56 Joseph was a secret disciple. Nicodemus, who helped him prepare the body according to custom, accompanied him. The tomb was nearby and in a garden. Jn. 19:38-42
    Mary Magdalene in the company of other women (Mary mother of James, Salome, Joanna) arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning to find it empty. Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:1-3; Lk. 24:10 Mary Magdalene ran to find Peter and John first. Jn. 20:1-2
    Peter was the first of the apostles to enter the empty tomb. Lk. 24:12 John beat Peter in a foot race, but did not enter the tomb until after Peter. 20:3-9
    The women saw angels at the empty tomb. Mt. 28:2-7; Mk. 16:5-7; Lk. 24:4-8 Mary Magdalene saw the Mercy Seat that had been prefigured in the Old Testament – Two angels on either end of where Jesus had lain. Jn. 20:11-12
    Jesus appeared to the women. Mt. 28:8-10 Mary Magdalene saw the resurrected Jesus in the garden where she mistook him for the gardener until he called her name. Jn. 20:14-18 cf. 10:3
    Jesus appeared to the eleven that same evening. Lk. 24:36-49 Thomas was not present and would not believe that Jesus was alive until he saw with his own eyes a week later. Jn. 20:24-29
    Jesus (after his resurrection) met with the eleven disciples on a mountain in Galilee that he had designated. Mt. 28:10, 16-17; Mk. 16:7 Jesus (after his resurrection) surprised seven of the apostles by meeting them on the shore of the Sea of Galilee as he had at the start of his ministry. Jn. 21:1-14 cf. Lk. 5:1-11
    It should become obvious as these two columns are read in tandem that John was playing off what had been recorded in the first three Gospels (already then was widely known). The preponderance of internal evidence alone is enough to show that John was the last to write his work. Yet the work cannot be too late, because other internal evidence suggests, may we say proves, the work to be that of an eyewitness. It is virtually unthinkable that John’s Gospel would have been accepted as genuine, without dissent, had it not been known to be his.

  • #2
    Where did you get this from?


    • #3
      There are two kinds of believers in Jesus:

      [1] They believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Saviour based on historical writings about events assumed being real (as the topic of this thread).

      [2] They believe that Jesus is the Son of God (actually the Living Word of God; the Father in Heaven and Him unified by the Holy Spirit) based on the knowledge they got from His message about 'Life Reality' that no other man can reveal clearly and loudly as Jesus did.

      Yes, even in these days, no man can repeat many sayings of Jesus, before the world (via satellites) as clearly as Jesus did, without being silenced for good just a couple of days later, if not worse.

      For your curiosity, this is one example:

      "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
      That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

      Let us ask ourselves:
      Can a soldier love his enemies?
      Can a politician in any system (called Christian or not) love his enemies? But perhaps a Christian President of USA is allowed doing it based on the Christian American Constitution
      Can a judge love his enemies?
      Can a lawyer love his enemies?
      Can a person belonging to any religious or political formal system love his enemies?

      Jesus tells me that all those (I mentioned above.. for a few) are created simply to serve the physical world (by following certain laws and their instincts), much like all other livings things are supposed to do (by following their instincts), and not to be children of their Father in Heaven.
      But this doesn't prevent any person on the list above from calling himself Christian.


      • #4
        This is my own research and compilation. I have much more in an entire analysis of John's Gospel.


        • #5
          Originally posted by Hilltrot View Post
          Where did you get this from?
          This is my own research and compilation. I have much more in an entire analysis of John's Gospel, if you are interested.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Taraxacum View Post

            This is my own research and compilation. I have much more in an entire analysis of John's Gospel, if you are interested.
            "Jesus also gave many long discourses and had dialogues with people. See chart."

            The table says see chart. I was looking for the chart.


            • #7
              Originally posted by Hilltrot View Post

              "Jesus also gave many long discourses and had dialogues with people. See chart."

              The table says see chart. I was looking for the chart.
              The Discourses - Jesus’ discourse on his life giving authority and the witness of his Father God, and that of Moses is the third lengthy quotation that John records. John’s recollection of many long sayings/discourses of Jesus is another unique feature of his Gospel. In the synoptics, aside from the Sermon on the Mount (Mt. 5-7) the lengthy quotations consist primarily of parables. Again we see John adding something different to the corpus of words spoken by Christ. Logia, conversations, parables, a sermon are all a part of the standard 3-Gospel history, but the 4th Gospel adds further information in the form of lengthy back and forth dialogue, almost synagogue type discussion, where questions are asked and objections voiced. Notice, please, that most of these sayings occur in Jerusalem at one feast or another. The bulk of the synoptic sayings, except for the Passion Week, occur outside Jerusalem.
              Discourses Subject Passage Timing
              John the Baptist’s Testimony Jesus the Lamb of God
              Jesus the Bridegroom
              Judea 1stTabernacles
              1st Passover
              Jesus’ Discussion:
              1. With Nicodemus
              The New Birth 3:1-21 Jerusalem 1stPassover
              2. With the Samaritan Woman The Spirit of True Worship 4:4-38 Samaria after 1stPassover
              3. With the Pharisees The Authority of the Son 5:16-47 Jerusalem “Feast of the Jews”
              4. With the crowd/disciples Eating the Bread of Life 6:22-71 Galilee just before 3rd Passover
              5. With the crowd/Pharisees The Authority and Spirit of the Messiah 7:14-44 Jerusalem 3rdTabernacles
              6. With the Pharisees The Origin and Identity of Jesus 8:12-59 Jerusalem 3rdTabernacles
              7. With the Pharisees The Judgment and Salvation of the Good Shepherd 9:39-10:21 Jerusalem 3rd Tabernacles
              8. With the Pharisees The Divine Nature of the Messiah 10:23-39 Jerusalem Hanukah
              10. With his disciples/crowd The Resurrection 11:1-44 Bethany before 4thPassover
              11. With Greeks/God the Father !/crowd His death and Resurrection 12:20-36 Jerusalem 4thPassover
              12. With the crowd Final Appeal and Warning 12:44-50 Jerusalem 4thPassover
              13. With his disciples Passover Discourse and High Priestly Prayer 13-17 Jerusalem 4thPassover