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  • #76
    Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post


    Unbelievable. Do you doubt that God is a "being"? Does the Bible have to state the obvious for you to believe it? The Bible never says that Jesus went to the bathroom. Does that mean he never did?

    God is Trinity. All Christians believe that. That is fundamental Christian doctrine. Whoever filled your head with the nonsense that he is not did you a real disservice.

    Yes, the Bible is remarkable in that it does state the obvious. That is why it is obvious, the Bible states it.

    Is it obvious that Jesus is the son of God? yes, because scripture states that.

    Is it obvious that Jesus is "God the Son" No, the Bible never states that.

    What is obvious is that since scripture refers to Jesus as the son of God but not as "God the Son" that son of God is right doctrine but "God the Son" is error at bast, it is in fact false doctrine because it contradicts "son of God"
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    • #77
      Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      God lowered Himself and came as a man. As a man he must be approved by God the Father.




      The Father and Jesus..



      Jesus says he will make his home with those who obey his teachings and he will reveal himself to them.

      Tell me, how is it you don’t see it that Jesus is God when we are only given one Spirit when we are saved yet we have the Father and Jesus living in us?



      Jesus.


      Jesus came from heaven. He isn’t a mere man.
      I am sorry, maybe I should have been more clear.

      I assumed you would give an answer from scripture. after all, this is a discussion about scripture, not my opinions or yours.

      God lowered Himself and came as a man. As a man he must be approved by God the Father.
      Do you have verses to demonstrate all your claims?

      God, according to you is composed of three persons, therefore according to your statement, ie, God lowered himself, you must mean that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all three lowered themselves to become a man.

      Since all three are now men, not God, what God was left to approve the man?

      Clearly no God was left to approve the man for all became one man.. Now is that one man in three persons? Which one was in charge? Who was the boss?

      I will tell you who was the boss.

      John 5:19,30

      19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

      30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

      The Father is the boss. in your statement, he is the boss man since God, all three lowered themselves to become a man.

      The Father and Jesus..
      Yes, that is what is clear from scripture. However, as we have seen, the son always did the Father's will, the Father is charge, The son, though lord, submitted himself to the greater and served the Father, not himself.

      Jesus says he will make his home with those who obey his teachings and he will reveal himself to them.

      Tell me, how is it you don’t see it that Jesus is God when we are only given one Spirit when we are saved yet we have the Father and Jesus living in us?
      Scripture does not teach that Jesus is God, scripture teaches us that Jesus is the son of God.

      It is that simple. God is God, men are men, Christ Jesus is the man. I Timothy 2:5

      Jesus.
      Jesus who is a man, taught in John 4:24, taught that God is a spirit.

      Jesus is a man, approved by God who is spirit.

      The Lord God, not the lord Jesus Christ is spirit. Jesus as the result of the resurrection, is still a man, but a man with a superior spirit based body. He is still a man as I Timothy 2:5 makes clear.

      Jesus came from heaven. He isn’t a mere man.
      If find it incredulous that you would refer to Jesus as not a mere man. Of course Jesus was not a mere man, he was an outstanding man, a man who believed and obeyed God perfectly and completely. What an example for us as men to follow
      "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

      "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

      Pro scripture = Protestant

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      • #78
        Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
        I assumed you would give an answer from scripture
        You have been given lots of answers from scripture but you are willfully blinding yourself to them.

        DIVINITY OF CHRIST:

        Christ’s divinity is shown over and over again in the New Testament. For example, in John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

        In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

        In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!")

        In Philippians 2:6, Paul tells us that Christ Jesus "[w]ho, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was "in very nature God."

        Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

        This title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: "When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’" (Rev. 1:17). "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’" (Rev. 2:8). "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:12–13).

        This last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title "the Alpha and the Omega," which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).


        THE TRINITY:

        Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

        The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19). How can we hold all four truths except to say all three are One God?

        And yes, Jesus DID say he was God. In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

        Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).


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        • #79

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          I am sorry, maybe I should have been more clear.

          I assumed you would give an answer from scripture. after all, this is a discussion about scripture, not my opinions or yours.
          I assumed you would recognize the scriptures I was talking about.
          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          God lowered Himself and came as a man. As a man he must be approved by God the Father.
          Do you have verses to demonstrate all your claims?
          "…who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" (Philippians 2:6).


          Philippians 2:7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

          Philippians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death-- even death on a cross!


          Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word was God and made His dwelling with us.

          See John 1:1 and John 1:14.

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

          God, according to you is composed of three persons, therefore according to your statement, ie, God lowered himself, you must mean that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all three lowered themselves to become a man.
          There is only one God and He is the Father. When God came as a man, He still also remained an invisible Spirit, but coming with a body He is called a Son. That is what we humans call a person coming from them in the flesh we say ‘son’ or ‘daughter’.

          See
          1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

          Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

          Since all three are now men, not God, what God was left to approve the man?
          God the Father came as a Son.

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          Clearly no God was left to approve the man for all became one man.. Now is that one man in three persons? Which one was in charge? Who was the boss?

          I will tell you who was the boss.

          John 5:19,30

          19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

          30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

          The Father is the boss. in your statement, he is the boss man since God, all three lowered themselves to become a man.
          You are changing it to say something I did n't say.
          There is only one God, and He is the Father. The Father came as a man, while also remaining in heaven.

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post


          The Father and Jesus..
          Yes, that is what is clear from scripture. However, as we have seen, the son always did the Father's will, the Father is charge, The son, though lord, submitted himself to the greater and served the Father, not himself.


          Jesus says he will make his home with those who obey his teachings and he will reveal himself to them.

          Tell me, how is it you don’t see it that Jesus is God when we are only given one Spirit when we are saved yet we have the Father and Jesus living in us?

          Scripture does not teach that Jesus is God, scripture teaches us that Jesus is the son of God.
          You didn’t answer the question. You tried hard to avoid it.

          Now tell me, how is it you are only given one Spirit but have the Father and Jesus living in you?


          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          It is that simple. God is God, men are men, Christ Jesus is the man. I Timothy 2:5


          Jesus.
          Jesus who is a man, taught in John 4:24, taught that God is a spirit.
          Jesus also says that his words are Spirit, and the scripture says he is the Lord and that the Lord is the Spirit.

          2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

          2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post


          Jesus is a man, approved by God who is spirit.

          The Lord God, not the lord Jesus Christ is spirit.
          You are denying those two scriptures are about Jesus.

          I have more scriptures that say Jesus is Spirit.


          1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.


          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

          Jesus as the result of the resurrection, is still a man, but a man with a superior spirit based body. He is still a man as I Timothy 2:5 makes clear.
          All men have a their own spirit within them; and Jesus’ spirit within him is God’s Spirit come as a man.


          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          Jesus came from heaven. He isn’t a mere man.
          If find it incredulous that you would refer to Jesus as not a mere man. Of course Jesus was not a mere man, he was an outstanding man, a man who believed and obeyed God perfectly and completely. What an example for us as men to follow
          No man no matter how outstanding comes from heaven, except God who came as a man.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

            I assumed you would recognize the scriptures I was talking about.


            "…who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" (Philippians 2:6).


            Philippians 2:7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

            Philippians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death-- even death on a cross!


            Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word was God and made His dwelling with us.

            See John 1:1 and John 1:14.


            There is only one God and He is the Father. When God came as a man, He still also remained an invisible Spirit, but coming with a body He is called a Son. That is what we humans call a person coming from them in the flesh we say ‘son’ or ‘daughter’.

            See
            1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

            Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.



            God the Father came as a Son.



            You are changing it to say something I did n't say.
            There is only one God, and He is the Father. The Father came as a man, while also remaining in heaven.


            You didn’t answer the question. You tried hard to avoid it.

            Now tell me, how is it you are only given one Spirit but have the Father and Jesus living in you?



            Jesus also says that his words are Spirit, and the scripture says he is the Lord and that the Lord is the Spirit.

            2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

            2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.



            You are denying those two scriptures are about Jesus.

            I have more scriptures that say Jesus is Spirit.


            1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.




            All men have a their own spirit within them; and Jesus’ spirit within him is God’s Spirit come as a man.



            No man no matter how outstanding comes from heaven, except God who came as a man.
            I assumed you would recognize the scriptures I was talking about.
            Sometimes I do, sometimes i don't.

            Although I have read all scriptures several times, I do not remember them all. Even so, people's interpretations are not always the result of what scripture says but private interpretation.. However, I have learn to not interpret scripture, I am not the author of scripture, so I do not have any right whatsoever to interpret it.

            "…who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" (Philippians 2:6).


            Philippians 2:7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

            Philippians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death-- even death on a cross!


            Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word was God and made His dwelling with us.

            See John 1:1 and John 1:14.
            Philippians 2:5-9

            Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

            6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

            7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

            8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

            9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

            Jesus, the son of God, was in the form of God, as the passage clearly states, however, it does not say that Jesus Is God.

            There is a vast difference between the two concepts.

            You might go to a halloween party in the form of Batman, but that does not make you Batman!

            Jesus is God's word in the flesh. He is not God himself.

            Jesus communicated God's word perfectly because he did God's word and will perfectly.

            Being equal with God does not make anyone God either.

            You are equal to God in some respects, yet I doubt you would claim to be God.

            How? You ask?

            Romans 6:23 God is eternal and if you have received the gift of eternal life, so are you.

            II Corinthians 5:21 God is righteous and you have the righteousness of God.

            Those are two ways you are equal to God. Does that make you God Himself?

            No, not at all.


            There is only one God and He is the Father. When God came as a man, He still also remained an invisible Spirit, but coming with a body He is called a Son. That is what we humans call a person coming from them in the flesh we say ‘son’ or ‘daughter’.

            See
            1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

            Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.



            God the Father came as a Son.
            There is only one true God and yes, that is the Father. also known by many other names and attributes and titles such as shepherd, Lord, the Holy Spirit, but not as Jesus Christ.

            Yes God is invisible, therefore we can rule out any human including Jesus Christ from being God.for humans are not invisible.

            He is the God and Father of all, including His son Jesus Christ and us His sons. I John 3:2

            God is everywhere present so he does not have to go anywhere to be present, He is already here.




            You are changing it to say something I did n't say.
            There is only one God, and He is the Father. The Father came as a man, while also remaining in heaven.


            You didn’t answer the question. You tried hard to avoid it.

            Now tell me, how is it you are only given one Spirit but have the Father and Jesus living in you?


            Not everything I write is understood my all either.

            Most certainly the only God worthy of our service is the Father.

            As it is written, "Him only shall you serve"

            That service takes many forms, including serving His son and our fellow believers.

            Sorry, I lost track of which question I did not answer.

            I do not answer every phrase or statement in every post.

            Simple, the gift of holy spirit is described by other terms such as the gift of eternal life/righteousness/grace/salvation....

            We have God in Christ in us because of the gift from the Holy Spirit who is God our Father
            Last edited by oatmeal; March 27th, 2020, 10:31 AM.
            "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

            "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

            Pro scripture = Protestant

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            • #81
              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

              Sometimes I do, sometimes i don't.

              Although I have read all scriptures several times, I do not remember them all. Even so, people's interpretations are not always the result of what scripture says but private interpretation.. However, I have learn to not interpret scripture, I am not the author of scripture, so I do not have any right whatsoever to interpret it.
              Well then why act so unbelieving when you read what I say?
              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post


              Philippians 2:5-9

              Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

              6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

              7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

              8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

              9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

              Jesus, the son of God, was in the form of God, as the passage clearly states, however, it does not say that Jesus Is God.

              There is a vast difference between the two concepts.

              You might go to a halloween party in the form of Batman, but that does not make you Batman!
              So how was Jesus in the form of God to you? And are you saying Jesus thought he was equal but you don't want us to think he was equal?


              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
              Jesus is God's word in the flesh. He is not God himself.

              Jesus communicated God's word perfectly because he did God's word and will perfectly.

              Being equal with God does not make anyone God either.

              You are equal to God in some respects, yet I doubt you would claim to be God.

              How? You ask?

              Romans 6:23 God is eternal and if you have received the gift of eternal life, so are you.

              II Corinthians 5:21 God is righteous and you have the righteousness of God.

              Those are two ways you are equal to God. Does that make you God Himself?

              No, not at all.
              No, we are not equal to God. Those scriptures do not mean we can say we are equal to God.


              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

              There is only one true God and yes, that is the Father. also known by many other names and attributes and titles such as shepherd, Lord, the Holy Spirit, but not as Jesus Christ.
              Jesus has all those names though, and more.

              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

              Yes God is invisible, therefore we can rule out any human including Jesus Christ from being God.for humans are not invisible.
              Our spirits are invisible.

              Jesus' spirit is God's Spirit come as a man's.

              This is a good scripture showing that Jesus is God the Father with a body, because the scripture says Jesus was in the FORM of God. What is God the Father's form? God the Father's form is Spirit.

              Colossians 1:15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

              Revelation 1:14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.

              "The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this: ‘I know your deeds..."--Revelation 2:18-19



              Who is that fire in Jesus' eyes?

              Who knows all our deeds?

              God the Father is inside Jesus' body, which makes Jesus the Son of God, and is God.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                Well then why act so unbelieving when you read what I say?


                So how was Jesus in the form of God to you? And are you saying Jesus thought he was equal but you don't want us to think he was equal?



                No, we are not equal to God. Those scriptures do not mean we can say we are equal to God.




                Jesus has all those names though, and more.



                Our spirits are invisible.

                Jesus' spirit is God's Spirit come as a man's.

                This is a good scripture showing that Jesus is God the Father with a body, because the scripture says Jesus was in the FORM of God. What is God the Father's form? God the Father's form is Spirit.

                Colossians 1:15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

                Revelation 1:14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.

                "The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this: ‘I know your deeds..."--Revelation 2:18-19



                Who is that fire in Jesus' eyes?

                Who knows all our deeds?

                God the Father is inside Jesus' body, which makes Jesus the Son of God, and is God.

                Well then why act so unbelieving when you read what I say?
                Not everything in my heart is God's word, likewise with all people.

                I have learned a long time ago to check opinions to see if they are God's word or simply another opinion.

                There are a lot of opinions on this website that do not align with God's word.



                So how was Jesus in the form of God to you? And are you saying Jesus thought he was equal but you don't want us to think he was equal?
                It doesn't matter how Jesus was in the form of God to me or for that matter what you think either. we must go to God's word to find out.

                Let us look at a few scriptures instead of offering opinions

                Genesis 1:26

                And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

                Adam and Eve were created in God's image. Does image and form have similar meanings? Maybe.

                Since Adam and Eve were created in God's image, does that mean Adam and Eve were God?

                The serpent tempted Eve with that lie. Genesis 3:5

                For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

                Being in the image of God does not make anyone God.

                What is the image of God?

                God is spirit,

                John 4:24

                God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

                Since God is spirit and Jesus is not, This disparity immediately disqualifies Jesus from being God.

                Does a child have the form of its parents?

                Yes, if a bull and a cow breed, the calf is in the same form as the parents

                When horses breed, they get horses.

                When humans breed, they get more humans.

                The offspring are not the parents, but are in the same form.

                However, we find a different situation regarding Jesus Christ for he had parents of two different kinds.

                God, his Father, is spirit, not human, Mary his mother was human.

                God had to do something different here.

                Since it is clear that Jesus was human not spirit, not invisible, we must conclude that there was a way that God could impregnate the egg in Mary's womb with the result that the offspring would be justly called the son of God. God accomplished that by providing human seed to impregnate the human egg in Mary. That is how God could do that and fulfill the legal requirements for Jesus to be the lamb of God.

                Christians are sons of God as well.

                Romans 8:14
                For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

                I John 3:1-2

                Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

                2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


                Jesus was in the form of God in that he is the only begotten son of God

                Even we are in the form of God because we are sons of God, not in our body and soul, but by the spirit that God gave to us.

                I John 4:13

                Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

                We then being likewise, in the form of God in that we have the spirit that God gave to us, can Let this mind be in us which was in Cnrist Jesus, empty ourselves of our own wills and instead do the will of the Father by humbling ourselves and obeying God


                "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                Pro scripture = Protestant

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post




                  Not everything in my heart is God's word, likewise with all people.
                  Well, we have our own spirit there too.

                  However, we are supposed to make our spirit more like his.

                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

                  I have learned a long time ago to check opinions to see if they are God's word or simply another opinion.

                  There are a lot of opinions on this website that do not align with God's word.
                  I like to discuss with others and prove my beliefs with scripture.


                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post


                  It doesn't matter how Jesus was in the form of God to me or for that matter what you think either. we must go to God's word to find out.
                  That is why I prove my beliefs with scripture.

                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

                  Let us look at a few scriptures instead of offering opinions

                  Genesis 1:26

                  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

                  Adam and Eve were created in God's image. Does image and form have similar meanings? Maybe.

                  Since Adam and Eve were created in God's image, does that mean Adam and Eve were God?
                  You want to use the scripture though that says Jesus was in the form of God.



                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

                  The serpent tempted Eve with that lie. Genesis 3:5

                  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

                  Being in the image of God does not make anyone God.

                  What is the image of God?

                  God is spirit,

                  John 4:24

                  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

                  Since God is spirit and Jesus is not, This disparity immediately disqualifies Jesus from being God.

                  Everyone has a spirit inside of them. Jesus' spirit is God's Spirit come as a man's.

                  I even gave you scriptures that say Jesus is the SPIRIT.

                  You claim you go by the scriptures. No, you do not, you dismiss the scriptures and ignore them.



                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post


                  Does a child have the form of its parents?

                  Yes, if a bull and a cow breed, the calf is in the same form as the parents

                  When horses breed, they get horses.

                  When humans breed, they get more humans.

                  The offspring are not the parents, but are in the same form.

                  However, we find a different situation regarding Jesus Christ for he had parents of two different kinds.

                  God, his Father, is spirit, not human, Mary his mother was human.

                  God had to do something different here.

                  Since it is clear that Jesus was human not spirit, not invisible, we must conclude that there was a way that God could impregnate the egg in Mary's womb with the result that the offspring would be justly called the son of God. God accomplished that by providing human seed to impregnate the human egg in Mary. That is how God could do that and fulfill the legal requirements for Jesus to be the lamb of God.
                  You are making a story based on your denial about the scriptures.

                  You didn't quote scripture about GOD'S FORM---even though I gave you scripture.

                  You spoke of God's image and not His form---even though you had that scripture I gave you.

                  You deny Jesus is the Spirit---even though I gave you scriptures that plainly say he is the Spirit.


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