Yes, there was salvation under the old system.
There has been salvation available from the beginning in every system.
If you and I died and were buried today, we would be awaiting promises (just as David).
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There has been salvation available from the beginning in every system.
If you and I died and were buried today, we would be awaiting promises (just as David).
graceandpeace
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so you believe the law of moses offers life?
graceandpeace
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such folly you speak.:dead:
graceandpeace
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Read it in context...the whole point is that the law being added brought about condemnation, so that God could open the DOOR for the NEW covenant, which WAS the promise...LOL
The law of MOSES IS NOT OF FAITH.
Only works wrath:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith
why? It required PERFECTION:
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Now, go read the verse you quoted in CONTEXT.
graceandpeace
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yet, in the new covenant, we receive it in our lifetime, when we repent and believe..salvation is given.
I wonder if you even know what the new covenant is.
graceandpeace
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Where have I said I cared if someone likes me? What I do not like is when people like yourself twist my words to say something I never even thought.
Leave me alone, if all you want to do is twist them again.
andyc
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andyc
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Are you saying that your faith is in a future redemption?
We receive the grace of God in this life. Those under the law were under condemnation for the sins they committed, and they hoped that God had a way of dealing with it. We rejoice in the fact that Christ has dealt with it by taking our condemnation on himself.
graceandpeace
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what a crock of baloney.
We have salvation NOW. The promise pointed to our day; when it would be made available, through the DEATH of JESUS; which is the new covenant.
2 cor 6:2 For He says: "In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you." [fn] Behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.
As Paul spoke concerning the prophet whom prophesized of OUR day; and how it would bring salvation to everyone that believed.
The old covenant saints looked FORWARD to their salvation, they did not receive it in their day.
Because of this:
Hbr 11:39 All these people earned a good reputation because of their faith, yet none of them received all that God had promised.
Hbr 11:40 For God had something better in mind for us, so that they would not reach perfection without us.
It was by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that ALL saints were perfected, as pertaining SALVATION....
Do not confuse that with the perfecting of one's faith, which is a process of maturity, adding to faith knowledge, etc.
andyc
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The old covenant had a shelf life which has now expired.
andyc
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That's right. Until Christ came they were all still in bondage.
graceandpeace
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Exactly...which is why Jesus came to set the captives FREE. When will they get it?
notreligus
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Nick is a fan of Norman Vincent Peale and Zig Ziglar. He keeps all of his comments positive. :crackup:
notreligus
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That's right. The Law was disciplinarian in nature.
Like your comment right here?
Leviticus 18:5 'So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, by which a man may live if he does them; I am the LORD.
The Torah may have a different verse, but I think Paul was at least referring to Torah instruction.
Romans 7:10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me;
The Torah may have a different verse, but I think Paul was at least referring to Torah instruction.
Romans 7:10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me;
Speak to yourself.
The promise was given to Abraham 430 years before the law was given.
When the law was given, it could not disannul the promise.
The law had no bearing on the promise.
Yep, salvation is given even though we still look forward to the resurrection (which is included with our salvation).
David looked forward to the day when all would come to pass.
We look forward to the day when all will come to pass.
Wonder for yourself.
amosman
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AMEN
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