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  • krsto: using your logic, worshipping false, pagan gods is on par with worshipping the true God because it is gnosticism to expect any knowledge about God as being essential to faith in Him? Paul warned about false gospels and false christs, but you blur the distinction between true and false. It is not gnosticism to understand Jesus' claims about Himself. It is cultic to take Jn. 8:58 and translate it 'I have been' like the JW does to remove the Jehovahistic implications of His claims that were understood by the Jews (hence blasphemy accusation).

    Jerzy; instead of interpreting Jn. 17:3 in light of Jn. 1:1, you must negate Jn. 1:1; Jn. 20:28 to avoid undermining your wrong view. JWs do the exact same thing, without warrant.

    A sound Christology is not optional if we are to distinguish trusting a fake vs true God.

    For Paul, confessing Jesus as Lord is to confess Him as Lord God, not mere sir or lesser lord (He is superlative Lord of lords and King of kings, Alpha and Omega, titles of Deity alone). For John, Son of God is a statement of equality with the Father due to same nature.

    We can define things and make our own idol by having generic god, generic jesus, generic lord, generic son of god OR we can do our homework and find out what the original author understood as intended by the Spirit who inspired these things.

    There is a difference between sound scholarship and the stuff running around on this forum by deniers of essential Christian truth (showing they do not have the illumination of the Spirit).

    keypurr, jerzy, krsto, pierac are in the JW boat, though not in the WT organization. The Deity of Christ and triune understanding is biblically defensible, so don't be deceived by their vapid arguments.
    Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

    They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
    I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

    Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

    "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

    The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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    • Lon, old chum, not to tell you your business but there are numerous Christian websites that make a belief in the triune nature of God a prerequisite to posting on their forum as a christian ... this isn't one of them. I would respectfully submit that to put some arbitrary restrictions on posting to a thread in a public forum is to put yourself in the place of the site owner.
      Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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      • It would be a courtesy to honor his request, but not a rule or requirement. I generally support freedom of speech, but would also honor a thread initiator who wants to set a certain direction without the distraction of the peanut gallery who are disruptive heretics (derailing things)
        Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

        They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
        I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

        Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

        "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

        The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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        • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
          It would be a courtesy to honor his request, but not a rule or requirement. I generally support freedom of speech, but would also honor a thread initiator who wants to set a certain direction without the distraction of the peanut gallery who are disruptive heretics (derailing things)
          While we are on the subject of courtesy we might also discuss the merits, or lack thereof, of referring to those with whom we disagree in derogatory terms.
          Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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          • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
            Jerzy; instead of interpreting Jn. 17:3 in light of Jn. 1:1, you must negate Jn. 1:1; Jn. 20:28 to avoid undermining your wrong view. JWs do the exact same thing, without warrant.
            godluz

            You want me to "interpret" Jn 17:3, which you can't put your crooked teeth into, in light of the monk's mistake and the clear Trinitarian forgery.

            Have you lost your mind, luz?

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            • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
              keypurr, jerzy, krsto, pierac are in the JW boat, though not in the WT organization. The Deity of Christ and triune understanding is biblically defensible, so don't be deceived by their vapid arguments.
              Have you ever done it by using the scriptures or you just keep coming up with your baloney to prove who you really are?

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              • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
                Lon, old chum, not to tell you your business but there are numerous Christian websites that make a belief in the triune nature of God a prerequisite to posting on their forum as a christian ... this isn't one of them. I would respectfully submit that to put some arbitrary restrictions on posting to a thread in a public forum is to put yourself in the place of the site owner.
                It was a simple request. Only courtesy and self restraint were appealed to.
                My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                ? Yep

                Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                • Originally posted by -FoC- View Post
                  Again chap....one passage is NOT to be pitted AGAINST another.
                  That is your failing.

                  Jesus IS God.
                  And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
                  (Joh 20:28 MKJV

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                  • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                    You make mockery of God's salvation plan.

                    You say that a woman gave birth to God whom man like you killed.

                    This is paganism at it’s highest.
                    The truth:

                    A woman gave birth to God, whom came in the form of flesh/man.
                    To be the ONLY propriation for the sins of mankind. The Just for the UnJust.

                    No normal man could of paid our debt...why?

                    None were righteouss...accept for ONE: God whom came in the form of flesh.

                    The gospel..in a nutshell.

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                    • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
                      The incarnation, Deity, death, resurrection of Christ is core gospel truth. You simply cannot have a false Christ or deny His resurrection and be preaching the true gospel.

                      As I understand it, you will not say that Jesus is Almighty God, uncreated Creator, equal with the Father by nature, names, attributes, etc. Thus, your view is Arian-like in that Christ is a subordinate creature of some sort. Talking about a divine man or God inhabiting a man is not the same as saying Jesus is the God-Man, one person with two natures.

                      This is not a peripheral debate like Calvinism vs Arminianism. It is core, essential, salvific truth defined by Jesus/Bible/God, not just me. Jesus and Paul did not compromise the gospel, but you don't even understand that the identity of Christ is not negotiable, the difference between Christ and a non-existent counterfeit.

                      Using your logic, Islam and Christianity are equally valid ways to God because they both believe in 'Christ'.
                      This is worth another show
                      One lavished upon in the Beloved
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                      • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                        This is worth another show
                        Already answered in post #113.
                        Atheism is a advertising nightmare as in what you see is what you get and when you die that's it. - DaveDodo007

                        Totally depraved doctrine.
                        Uncertain salvation.
                        Luck of the draw.
                        Irresistible damnation.
                        Persecution of the saints.

                        Courtesy of Desert Reign

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                        • Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post
                          A woman gave birth to God,
                          I can't believe you said this.

                          (Luk 1:32) KJV He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

                          (Luk 1:35) KJV And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

                          (Luk 1:35) GW The angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God.


                          (Rom 5:19) Clearly, through one person's disobedience humanity became sinful, and through one person's obedience humanity will receive God's approval.
                          2Co 5:17 Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence.

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                          • Originally posted by Lon View Post
                            It was a simple request. Only courtesy and self restraint were appealed to.
                            There would be no problem if you didn't use it to bad mouthing us behind our backs.

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                            • Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post
                              A woman gave birth to God...
                              Until you show it written I am not going to thing high about you, pal.

                              None were righteouss...accept for ONE: God whom came in the form of flesh.
                              Have you seen it written or do you like to listen to pagan fables?

                              The gospel..in a nutshell.
                              A new gospel by graceandpeace, that is.

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                              • Jonn 1

                                The Word was with God and the Word was God, and the Word became flesh.

                                /thread
                                Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                                Titus 1

                                For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                                Ephesians 5

                                11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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