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  • “And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me. Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.” Is. 12:1-3

    “Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.” Jer. 2:12-13

    O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.” Jer. 17:13

    “Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. : John 4:5-15

    “In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)” John 7:37-39

    The LORD God is the fountain. The Lord Jesus Christ is the fountain, as the scripture hath said...."
    Saint John W

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    • “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” Isaiah 28:10

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      “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” Ecclesiastes 12:7


      “Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.” Psalms 31:5

      “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit..” Acts 7:59

      The LORD God receives our spirit. The Lord Jesus Christ received Stephen's spirit.
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      “I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.” Jer. 17:10

      “But, O LORD of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I opened my cause.” Jer. 20:12

      “And the LORD said… And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee,… Therefore now, LORD God of Israel,… And now, O God of Israel… But will God indeed dwell on the earth?... Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O LORD my God,…. Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men” 1 Kings 8: 18, 23, 25,26, 27, 28, 39


      “And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.” John 2:25


      Notice that only the LORD God knows the hearts of men. The Lord Jesus Christ knows the hearts of men.

      End of thread again.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkM0NT4YMlo
      Saint John W

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      • Originally posted by john w View Post
        You missed it, and, as usual, punted:

        “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

        “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

        Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.

        Read it-"some of them also tempted"-they tempted "the LORD," who Paul identifies as "Christ."


        End of thread.
        You rude erudition is noted.

        1Cor 10:9 says that some tempted. You allude that they tempted Christ.

        You have forgotten about the angel of God whom Israel had to obey:

        Exo 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

        How much more one has to obey the anointed of the Father the only true God?

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        • John

          One wonders who He who made Jesus Lord and Christ is.

          Why He had to make the “Almighty God the Father” Lord and anoint him?

          It is a silly attempt to infer the mistakes of the NT back into the OT instead of getting to know God from the OT first.

          One has to note that if a king sends a general to concur a country the king gets the glory not the general.

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          • Originally posted by Krsto View Post
            Do you acknowledge that the scriptures aren't black and white enough for everybody to come to the same studied theological conclusions about much of anything other than the fact Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead? Do you recognize there are reasons, even if you don't accept the reasons, why people come to a different conclusion than you do? Is God really going to judge us all based on your interpretation of the Word as if that is the only possible way anyone could ever interpret the Word? Why is it you might allow differences of opinion regarding the role of works and faith or church polity, or eschatology, but not regarding the nature of God and Christ which the church has been wrestling with for millenia?
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            Grlz has rightly pointed out that there are differences of opinions and very wide ones [that is plain to see in the church] but there are foundation truths essential to salvation. that Christ is very God is a foundation truth.

            Those that dispute the trinity are one thing but those who deny Christ's divinity another. Moreover they show themselves incapable of understanding the scriptures, that must be the case because they are fighting against the One who IS the very word of God.

            Like all cultists they have climbed into the sheepfold in some other way than through the door. No wonder the sheep treat them with the utmost suspicion....their language is somewhat different to the Jerusalem brogue we know and love.

            We will worship our Lord as God.
            One lavished upon in the Beloved
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            • “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:..” Is. 28:10,
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              “I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.” Psalms 102:24-27

              God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?” Hebrews 1:1-14

              -“his Son”, Hebrews 1:2, was the person by whom “he made the worlds”-Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ

              -“the Son”, Hebrews 1:5, is addressed as “God”-Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ


              -Hebrews 1:10 says “Thou, Lord”, referring to “the Son” “hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hand”, and yet Psalms 102 24-27 says “God” hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands” -Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ

              Thus, the Godhead of the Lord Jesus Christ is declared specifically by The Holy Spirit by Hebrews 1 verses 2,3, 8, and supplemented by Psalms 102.

              Psalms 102 is interpreted by Hebrews 1, and is evident(to those who are willing to bow to the scripture’s testimony), verses 1-11, 23, 24 as far as the word “days”(102:3), are uttered by the Messiah, the Christ, as the "man of sorrows”(Is. 53:3); and that verses 12-22, 24 of the Psalm , from the word “They”, verse 26, to verse 28, are predictions addressed to Him as the mighty God by the Holy Spirit.
              Saint John W

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              • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                John

                One wonders who He who made Jesus Lord and Christ is.

                Why He had to make the “Almighty God the Father” Lord and anoint him?

                It is a silly attempt to infer the mistakes of the NT back into the OT instead of getting to know God from the OT first.

                One has to note that if a king sends a general to concur a country the king gets the glory not the general.
                =assert, pound the podium, declare victory, employ humanism, as the subtil serpent did in Genesis 3("One wonders who He who made Jesus Lord and Christ is."), employ the old RCC debating technique, by changing the subject, return to "Yeh, man can die any time he wants, by releasing his spirit" sophistry....."that does not mean he is God..."
                Saint John W

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                • This clearly excludes Jesus on two counts:

                  - Because he was dead.
                  - Because he was seen by many.


                  Jerzy:
                  I said:
                  Quote:
                  This is speaking of God, as NOT in the flesh. Some texts speak of God as IN the flesh..Jesus.

                  Jesus is still in flesh:

                  Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
                  1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
                  You fail to understand that when Jesus was ascended; He was changed...and went back to His former glory:

                  John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

                  God is spirit...and, no man has seen God in the form of HIS true reality...as the text shows..the human eye cannot behold it.

                  The bible makes it plain that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...but, we shall all be changed...from corruptible flesh to incorruption..which is NOT flesh, and this is why we read here:


                  2 cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more. ...


                  which pretty much explains the rest of your post to me.

                  If Jesus was not God, or is not God...we have no Savior...for the whole of the bible speaks of one thing...that ONE JUST MAN would come to die for the unjust.

                  There was only one...that was JUST in the way that could get this done. GOD, made flesh.

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                  • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                    You rude erudition is noted.

                    1Cor 10:9 says that some tempted. You allude that they tempted Christ.

                    You have forgotten about the angel of God whom Israel had to obey:

                    Exo 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

                    How much more one has to obey the anointed of the Father the only true God?
                    You missed it again, and, as usual, punted-slower:

                    “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

                    “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

                    Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.

                    Read it-"some of them also tempted"-they tempted "the LORD," who Paul identifies as "Christ." Paul was referring to the same historical event.

                    Football is over, but you continue to punt. Lovely.
                    Saint John W

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                    • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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                      Grlz has rightly pointed out that there are differences of opinions and very wide ones [that is plain to see in the church] but there are foundation truths essential to salvation. that Christ is very God is a foundation truth.

                      Those that dispute the trinity are one thing but those who deny Christ's divinity another. Moreover they show themselves incapable of understanding the scriptures, that must be the case because they are fighting against the One who IS the very word of God.

                      Like all cultists they have climbed into the sheepfold in some other way than through the door. No wonder the sheep treat them with the utmost suspicion....their language is somewhat different to the Jerusalem brogue we know and love.

                      We will worship our Lord as God.
                      AMEN...

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                      • Originally posted by john w View Post
                        You missed it again, and, as usual, punted-slower:

                        “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

                        “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

                        Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.

                        Read it-"some of them also tempted"-they tempted "the LORD," who Paul identifies as "Christ." Paul was referring to the same historical event.

                        Football is over, but you continue to punt. Lovely.
                        Good post, John.

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                        • Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post
                          Good post, John.
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                          He's good inne? when he's not doing MAD.
                          One lavished upon in the Beloved
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                          • Originally posted by john w View Post
                            =assert, pound the podium, declare victory, employ humanism, as the subtil serpent did in Genesis 3("One wonders who He who made Jesus Lord and Christ is."), employ the old RCC debating technique, by changing the subject, return to "Yeh, man can die any time he wants, by releasing his spirit" sophistry....."that does not mean he is God..."
                            John.

                            You are just trying to prove that God is a liar.

                            Good luck, pal.

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                            • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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                              Grlz has rightly pointed out that there are differences of opinions and very wide ones [that is plain to see in the church] but there are foundation truths essential to salvation. that Christ is very God is a foundation truth.

                              Those that dispute the trinity are one thing but those who deny Christ's divinity another. Moreover they show themselves incapable of understanding the scriptures, that must be the case because they are fighting against the One who IS the very word of God.

                              Like all cultists they have climbed into the sheepfold in some other way than through the door. No wonder the sheep treat them with the utmost suspicion....their language is somewhat different to the Jerusalem brogue we know and love.

                              We will worship our Lord as God.
                              Why do you deny, the Lord that brought you: They denied Him all those years ago, killed Him and even today, they still deny Him.

                              Why? Why do you deny God's son?
                              2Co 5:17 Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence.

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                              • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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                                Grlz has rightly pointed out that there are differences of opinions and very wide ones [that is plain to see in the church] but there are foundation truths essential to salvation. that Christ is very God is a foundation truth.

                                Those that dispute the trinity are one thing but those who deny Christ's divinity another. Moreover they show themselves incapable of understanding the scriptures, that must be the case because they are fighting against the One who IS the very word of God.

                                Like all cultists they have climbed into the sheepfold in some other way than through the door. No wonder the sheep treat them with the utmost suspicion....their language is somewhat different to the Jerusalem brogue we know and love.

                                We will worship our Lord as God.
                                Uhm, sir, I can't speak for everybody here, but I for one understand the trinity better than 99% of the trinitarians. I suggest you are the one who does not understand how the verses you quote can be interpreted any other way than through trinitarian concepts. You simply do not understand, and unfortunately you have been debating with those who aren't very good teachers so I guess it's no wonder and I for one can't blame you for that. I would, however, suggest you take a look at the small booklet you can read online called Who Is Jesus by Anthony Buzzard at

                                http://21stcr.org/multimedia/PDF/who_is_jesus.pdf

                                You may not agree with the material presented but I hope at least you will begin to realize non-trins do have good reason to not be trinitarians.
                                Atheism is a advertising nightmare as in what you see is what you get and when you die that's it. - DaveDodo007

                                Totally depraved doctrine.
                                Uncertain salvation.
                                Luck of the draw.
                                Irresistible damnation.
                                Persecution of the saints.

                                Courtesy of Desert Reign

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