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  • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Answering a question with a question?
    Yeah, I was hoping you'd both see an answer and perhaps think of more on your own.
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    ? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

    Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
      We don’t need your un-natural mind’s help, Totton. Just acknowledge this or explain why your un-natural mind rejects it:

      Isa 11:1-3, 42:1+6, Eze 34:23-24, Mic 5:2, Mt 6:9, 11:25, Jn 6:23, 6:44-45, 6:65, 14:6, 14:10, 17:3, 20:17, 20:31, Ac 2:22, 2:36, 3:21, 10:36, 17:31, Ro 1:7, 1Cor 1:3, 8:6, 2Co 1:2, 5:18+21, Eph 1:3, 2:18, Ga 1:1, 1:3, Col 1:1-3, 1:12-13, Php 1:2, 1Th 1:1-3, 2Th 1:1-2, 1Ti 1:1-2, 2:5, 2Ti 1:1-2, Ti 1:4, Phm 1:3-4, Heb 1:1-2, Jam 1:1, 1Pe 1:2-3, 2Pe 1:2, 1Jn 1:2-3, 2Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1, Re 1:1.
      The bible says it was Christ speaking through Isaiah and Ezekiel, Jesus said "before Abraham was I am"
      One lavished upon in the Beloved
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      • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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        You honour me by associating my name with William and Kat.

        But you do not KNOW Jesus Christ whom God has sent....your Jesus Christ is as different to the One I know as man is different to God.
        I am just waiting when you stop your vain polemics and begin talking from the written word of God.

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        • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
          The bible says it was Christ speaking through Isaiah and Ezekiel, Jesus said "before Abraham was I am"
          God foretold Jesus long before Abraham was mentioned.

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          • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
            I am just waiting when you stop your vain polemics and begin talking from the written word of God.
            But you have no understanding of Scripture, my first duty is to present to you Jesus and show you that He is God. You will never enter His kingdom unless you bow the knee to Him
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            • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
              But you have no understanding of Scripture, my first duty is to present to you Jesus and show you that He is God. You will never enter His kingdom unless you bow the knee to Him

              Show it written or just don't bother me with your nonsense vain talking.

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              • Jerzy:

                Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

                Isa 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

                Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when [there was] no strange [god] among you: therefore ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I [am] God.

                1 Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

                1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.


                This is speaking of God, as NOT in the flesh. Some texts speak of God as IN the flesh..Jesus.

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                • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                  Show it written or just don't bother me with your nonsense vain talking.
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                  When people show it to you written you parrot a hundred Scriptures that do not say specifically that He is God in the flesh and claim foolishly that they therefore deny the ones that do.

                  This is how we know that you do not understand scripture. You are of those endlessly learning but are unable to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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                  • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                    The only life Christ has to impart is divine life, that is why Rlz rightly says it is a salvic issue. You will never enter His kingdom until you bow the knee to Him as God. What you are in is an unhappy vacuum trying to disprove His divinity.
                    Do you acknowledge that the scriptures aren't black and white enough for everybody to come to the same studied theological conclusions about much of anything other than the fact Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead? Do you recognize there are reasons, even if you don't accept the reasons, why people come to a different conclusion than you do? Is God really going to judge us all based on your interpretation of the Word as if that is the only possible way anyone could ever interpret the Word? Why is it you might allow differences of opinion regarding the role of works and faith or church polity, or eschatology, but not regarding the nature of God and Christ which the church has been wrestling with for millenia?
                    Atheism is a advertising nightmare as in what you see is what you get and when you die that's it. - DaveDodo007

                    Totally depraved doctrine.
                    Uncertain salvation.
                    Luck of the draw.
                    Irresistible damnation.
                    Persecution of the saints.

                    Courtesy of Desert Reign

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                    • Originally posted by Krsto View Post
                      Care to demonstrate the above scripturally?
                      Stumped me again with that zinger. Care to tell us where you obtained that never before heard sound byte that shuts down this thread?
                      Saint John W

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                      • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                        Would you like to consider Eze 34:23-24 or Php 2:11?

                        To the glory of God the Father.

                        What about this:

                        Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
                        The old reliable bait n switch.

                        Would you like to consider, as asked...?

                        “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

                        “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

                        Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.

                        No, I don't think you would-punt.

                        End of thread.
                        Saint John W

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                        • Originally posted by graceandpeace View Post
                          Jerzy:

                          Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
                          No beginning no end.

                          This clearly excludes Jesus:

                          Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

                          Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

                          Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

                          Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

                          Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


                          Isa 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.
                          Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

                          Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when [there was] no strange [god] among you: therefore ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I [am] God.
                          The Father declares that He is the only true God.

                          1 Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
                          Jesus will show that all what the Father the only true God foretold He fulfilled:

                          Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

                          1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.
                          This clearly excludes Jesus on two counts:

                          - Because he was dead.
                          - Because he was seen by many.

                          This is speaking of God, as NOT in the flesh. Some texts speak of God as IN the flesh..Jesus.
                          Jesus is still in flesh:

                          Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
                          1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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                          • Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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                            When people show it to you written you parrot a hundred Scriptures that do not say specifically that He is God in the flesh and claim foolishly that they therefore deny the ones that do.

                            This is how we know that you do not understand scripture. You are of those endlessly learning but are unable to come to a knowledge of the truth.
                            I wated to quote Paul for you but you have just done it.

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                            • Originally posted by john w View Post
                              The old reliable bait n switch.
                              John.

                              You might be good in “bait n switch” but we should be talking here from God’s word.

                              Would you like to consider, as asked...?

                              “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

                              “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

                              Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.
                              Do you think that Eve was God because she was tempted by a serpent?

                              1Cor 10:9 says that some tempted. You allude that they tempted Christ.

                              You have forgotten about the angel of God whom Israel had to obey:

                              Exo 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

                              How much more one has to obey the anointed of the Father the only true God?

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                              • Originally posted by jerzy View Post
                                John.

                                You might be good in “bait n switch” but we should be talking here from God’s word.



                                Do you think that Eve was God because she was tempted by a serpent?
                                You missed it, and, as usual, punted:

                                “Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?” Exodus 17:2

                                “Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9

                                Thus, Exodus says “the people” tempted whom? The LORD. And the scriptures in 1 Cor., referring to the same OT history of “children of Israel”(Exodus 17:1), says they tempted Christ. Christ is the LORD God.

                                Read it-"some of them also tempted"-they tempted "the LORD," who Paul identifies as "Christ."


                                End of thread.
                                Saint John W

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