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  • #91
    Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
    Why is it good to perform a water ceremony?
    You're following an example.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
      Why was Paul sent not to water baptize?
      Simple....the gospel saves....that was Paul's motivation...that's why Paul was sent, to preach the gospel.

      Baptism is not the gospel, as baptism doesn't save a soul just like my ring doesn't make me married.
      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
        Did Jesus get baptized?

        Matthew 3:13
        13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.


        Did Peter preach baptism to the Jews?

        Acts 2:38
        38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


        Did Peter preach baptism to the Gentiles?

        Acts 10:46-48
        46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
        47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
        48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


        Was Paul baptized?

        Acts 9:17-18
        17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
        18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.



        Is there any valid reason for a Christian to refuse to be baptized?
        Of course not. But it is still not required for salvation
        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

        Jim Elliot

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
          Yes it does...and must be to escape sin, you can't just wash sin away.

          Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
          Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
          You are all over the map friend....you were speaking of actual circumsion of the jews and now you refer to the spiritual circumsion of Christ.

          Please stick to the topic
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
            So, a person must be actually circumcised in your book....wow.
            Yes actually, it's an operation of God and more powerful (more actual) than an operation of men as given to Abraham. It's like water baptism is an operation of men but baptism by the Spirit supersedes water baptism.

            Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

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            • #96
              Quote Originally Posted by Cntrysner View Post
              Yes it does...and must be to escape sin, you can't just wash sin away.

              Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
              Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
              Drdrumley said..So, a person must be actually circumcised in your book....wow.
              Look at the verses..you have to be to be complete in Christ.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                Yes actually, it's an operation of God and more powerful (more actual) than an operation of men as given to Abraham. It's like water baptism is an operation of men but baptism by the Spirit supersedes water baptism.

                Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
                So an uncircumsised man cannot be saved? Am I hearing you correctly?
                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                  So an uncircumsised man cannot be saved? Am I hearing you correctly?
                  Look at the verses i gave you..

                  Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
                  Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

                  What do they mean to you?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                    Look at the verses i gave you..

                    Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
                    Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

                    What do they mean to you?
                    It sure doesn't mean my uncircumcised neighbor, although he gave his heart to Christ, is lost because a piece of flesh wasn't cut off....

                    Man, the beliefs of some people.
                    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                    • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                      You are all over the map friend....you were speaking of actual circumsion of the jews and now you refer to the spiritual circumsion of Christ.

                      Please stick to the topic
                      I did not define which because I wanted to capture your attention. You did the same referring to baptism, you did not clarify which. But still baptism and circumcision are required and both now are an operation of God not men, God's operations supersede man's in such a way that the rituals should not be performed by men now because they fly in the face of God. They are false and bare deception.

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                      • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                        It sure doesn't mean my uncircumcised neighbor, although he gave his heart to Christ, is lost because a piece of flesh wasn't cut off....

                        Man, the beliefs of some people.
                        I gave you the scripture that stated it was an operation of God, you just did not pay attention. No operation of man is now required but the operations or works are still required, it's God's work in Christ.

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                        • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                          It sure doesn't mean my uncircumcised neighbor, although he gave his heart to Christ, is lost because a piece of flesh wasn't cut off....

                          Man, the beliefs of some people.
                          Yet you submit to the rite of water baptism. Don't you know it was for remission of sins? It was not a sign for you. The sign for you is to preach Christ crucified.

                          Paul said ..for Christ sent me not to baptise (in water)but to preach the Gospel.

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                          • Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                            I gave you the scripture that stated it was an operation of God, you just did not pay attention. No operation of man is now required but the operations or works are still required, it's God's work in Christ.
                            Right, got it.

                            Funny, but I am saying the same thing in regards to baptism, but you dont want to hear it.
                            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                            • Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                              Yet you submit to the rite of water baptism. Don't you know it was for remission of sins? It was not a sign for you. The sign for you is to preach Christ crucified.

                              Paul said ..for Christ sent me not to baptise (in water)but to preach the Gospel.
                              your now arguing just to argue. probably dont know when to shut up either.
                              The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                              • Why is this so hard to understand. Christ told the apostles to not go to the Gentiles and that he came because God was not done working with them and their beliefs.

                                Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
                                Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

                                This ties to the so called great commission and connecting to the water baptism that John the Baptist performed and Peter preached at Pentecost. Why did Christ tell the apostles to not go to Gentiles? Then Saul is called and says Christ sent me not to water baptize for remission but to preach the gospel.

                                Christ's message was correct but the apostles misunderstood His message so Christ called Paul and Paul received many revelations concerning the gospel.

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