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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
    It's a concern to me if it can be a stumbling block and it can be.
    True, there are certain churches that teach you MUST be baptized to be saved. I oppose them as you do...
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
      Nah, Im not missing your point....

      I dont consider what I did a work to be saved...

      I did because Jesus did, and everyone knows without a doubt Jesus certainly didn't need to be either.
      Jesus did need to get water baptized for the nation of Israel and us. Christ had to fulfill all requirements for us.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
        True, there are certain churches that teach you MUST be baptized to be saved. I oppose them as you do...
        Why then do you need a sign and can a sign be a stumbling block?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
          Jesus did need to get water baptized for the nation of Israel and us. Christ had to fulfill all requirements for us.
          Jesus said it was proper for John to baptize Him. Cite where he said he had to. And I will prayfully consider it.
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
            Why then do you need a sign and can a sign be a stumbling block?
            I don't.....you must be speaking to someone else.
            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
              It is good to be baptized but not necessary for salvation.
              Did Jesus get baptized?

              Matthew 3:13
              13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.


              Did Peter preach baptism to the Jews?

              Acts 2:38
              38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


              Did Peter preach baptism to the Gentiles?

              Acts 10:46-48
              46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
              47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
              48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


              Was Paul baptized?

              Acts 9:17-18
              17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
              18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.



              Is there any valid reason for a Christian to refuse to be baptized?
              Learn to read what is written.

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              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                He's not wrong...you need to work it out in your head.
                I have spent a lot of time working it out and learning why Dispensationalism is not what Paul taught.
                Learn to read what is written.

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                The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                  I have spent a lot of time working it out and learning why Dispensationalism is not what Paul taught.
                  ct 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                    You are missing the point, why baptise in water at all if the flesh or any work you can do profits nothing?

                    If it profits nothing and then those unaware could include the ritual as part of salvation could they not?
                    If you think doing good works will profit nothing, then your faith is in vain.


                    Titus 3:8
                    8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

                    Learn to read what is written.

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                    The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                    ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                      It's a concern to me if it can be a stumbling block and it can be.
                      If that is your concern, then every Christian should be baptized to remove it as a stumbling block.
                      Learn to read what is written.

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                      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                        If you think doing good works will profit nothing, then your faith is in vain.


                        Titus 3:8
                        8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
                        Your theology has got you in chains but it does work for you.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                          If that is your concern, then every Christian should be baptized to remove it as a stumbling block.
                          Or not...
                          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                            If that is your concern, then every Christian should be baptized to remove it as a stumbling block.
                            Every Christian is baptized, no water is necessary, have you heard of it? One baptism not two.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                              Or not...
                              Are you being serious. I think not, be careful who you agree with.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                If that is your concern, then every Christian should be baptized to remove it as a stumbling block.
                                That is funny and all it's worth.

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