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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
    Their pet scripture ....
    Whose pet scripture?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
      Amen, but was there a point in there?
      Quickeneth, in context without water.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
        Whose pet scripture?
        Water baptizers...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
          Water baptizers...
          Oh ok....I would agree with that. Baptists, Catholics etc....
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #35
            @drdrumley G2227 quickeneth revitalize, give life, restore life to that which was dead in sins…all the essences of reborn or born again.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
              Oh ok....I would agree with that. Baptists, Catholics etc....
              Long list for sure.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                Long list for sure.
                No one is born again with water, if one includes water they washed away born again.

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                • #38
                  Just a quick question to anyone....

                  Does my wedding ring make me married, or is it a symbol of something?

                  I did get baptized when I was 25. Did it save me? No. But it did symbolize to other like minded brothers and sisters that I gave myself over to Jesus' lordship over me.
                  The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                    Oh ok....I would agree with that. Baptists, Catholics etc....
                    So, was water baptism for remission of sins according to Acts 2:38?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                      So, was water baptism for remission of sins according to Acts 2:38?
                      I believe John the Baptist's baptism and what happened in acts 2:38 are different in certain respects.

                      Paul baptized those in Ephesus after they told him they were baptized by John's baptism....
                      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                        Just a quick question to anyone....

                        Does my wedding ring make me married, or is it a symbol of something?

                        I did get baptized when I was 25. Did it save me? No. But it did symbolize to other like minded brothers and sisters that I gave myself over to Jesus' lordship over me.
                        It does symbolise to a secular world but is is supposed to be of no effect if the flesh profits nothing.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                          It does symbolise to a secular world but is is supposed to be of no effect if the flesh profits nothing.
                          The secular world doesn't care if I am baptized or not....they think it is a glorified bath.
                          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                            I believe John the Baptist's baptism and what happened in acts 2:38 are different in certain respects.

                            Paul baptized those in Ephesus after they told him they were baptized by John's baptism....
                            Yeah but, what did Christ say or what did John say about water baptism?

                            What respects?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                              The secular world doesn't care if I am baptized or not....they think it is a glorified bath.
                              You are missing the point, why baptise in water at all if the flesh or any work you can do profits nothing?

                              If it profits nothing and then those unaware could include the ritual as part of salvation could they not?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                                Yeah but,
                                But what?

                                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                                what did Christ say or what did John say about water baptism?
                                its in scripture

                                Originally posted by Cntrysner View Post
                                What respects?
                                Power of the Holy Spirit for one....John nor his disciples were speaking in tongues, visible fire over their heads, etc....
                                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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