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    Heb 11:4 . . By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts

    Heb 13:15 . . By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

    The Greek word for "sacrifice" is the same in both those passages. It's the same word in the passage below too.

    Rom 12:1 . . I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    That ambiguity has to make us take a step back and figure out just what kind of offerings Cain and Abel were supposed to bring that day-- bloody or non bloody / for their sins or not for their sins / burnt offerings or non burnt offerings?

  • #2
    2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

    4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


    • #3
      Re: Cain's vs Abel's

      Gen 4:3-4a . . In the course of time, Cain brought an offering to The Lord from the fruit of the soil; and Abel, for his part, brought the choicest of the firstlings of his flock.

      There's no indication in this scene suggesting their oblations were sacrifices for sin. The Hebrew word is minchah (min khaw') which appears dozens of times in the Old Testament for all sorts of offerings: for bloody and bloodless, for mandatory and voluntary, for sin and not for sin: and for tributes; defined by Webster's as a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection.

      Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of oblation; which is in the tribute category.

      T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the flock. (Targum Jonathan)

      Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce was the appropriate tribute, and seeing as how Abel was an animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was the appropriate tribute.


      • #4
        Re: Cain's vs Abel's

        The Bible says that the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to The Lord. (Prv 15:8)

        In other words: offerings are accepted only when the person making the offering is acceptable. For example:

        Ps 51:16 . .You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.

        When David wrote that; he had only just committed the capital crimes of adultery and premeditated murder. There was just no way that God was going to accept David's sacrifices and offerings along with that; and he knew it.

        Cain's offering would've been accepted had he been a good man.

        Gen 4:7a . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

        That is an irrevocable rule, and comes out very early in the Bible because it is so foundational to humanity's association with its creator.

        This is well illustrated by Isa 1:11-20.

        The people were offering all the covenanted sacrifices, they were praying up a storm, and observing all the feasts and holy days. He rejected all of it, even though their God-given law required it because the people's personal conduct was unbecoming. Christians are not exempt from this rule.

        1John 1:5-6 . .This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.


        • #5
          Re: Cain's vs Abel's

          Gen 4:4 . . Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock

          The practice of dedicating firstlings was later incorporated into the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God at Mt. Sinai.

          Ex 13:1-2 . .The Lord said to Moses: Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether man or animal.

          According to that language; Abel had to offer not one, but all of his flock's firstlings.

          The thing to note is that firstling offerings per God's instructions are not, nor have they ever been, sacrifices for sin. Plus, their bodies aren't destroyed like burnt offerings; in point of fact, the covenant requires them to be eaten as food. (Deut 15:19-23)

          At the same time of year when firstlings are dedicated to God, the ground's firstfruits are offered too (Neh 10:34-37). These are also eaten rather than destroyed by fire. Incidentally: there is more said about firstfruits in the Old Testament than there is about firstlings.


          • #6
            Re: Cain's vs Abel's

            FAQ: Well; if his offering was satisfactory, then what was Cain's fault that soured his association with God?

            A: Cain's problem wasn't a specific fault; it was his way. (Jude 1:11)

            Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? If you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door;

            This is the very first instance in the Bible of the word "sin". The Hebrew word is chatta'ah (khat-taw-aw') and/or chatta'th (khat-tawth') which are ambiguous words that technically mean an offense; as in repeat offender. In other words; not just an occasional slip-up, but a life style; viz: a habit.

            At this point in the story; Cain was very close to stiffening his resolve (i.e. hardening his heart) to the point where he would become permanently estranged from God, and severed from His good graces.

            Gen 4:7b . . it desires to have you, but you must master it.

            This is the first mention of self control in the Bible; and the requirement is oft repeated; e.g.

            Col 3:5-8 . . Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

            Rom 8:13 . . For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

            The death spoken of in that verse isn't the sum of all fears depicted at Rev 20:11-15. It's estrangement from God, and severance from His good graces. (cf. John 15:1-6 where Jesus talks about yard debris.)

            There are Christians today whose manner of life is similar to Cain's. They're religious just enough to come to church on Sunday, and maybe even sing in the choir and attend Sunday school; while the rest of the time do as they please indifferent to how God might feel about their conduct.

            Gen 4:5 . . So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

            In other words; instead of heart-broken by the rejection, Cain was infuriated.

            Well; no surprises there. That's how Cainish people react when their friendship is refused on account of their conduct is unacceptable. When anything said to them about it; you just get the cold shoulder because they want to be accepted just as they are.
            Last edited by WeberHome; May 27th, 2019, 06:39 PM.


            • #7
              This verse has a very deep and disturbing meaning...

              Hebrews 12:24
              "And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"

              Jesus was a sacrifice. So was Abel.

              In other words, Abel was a Human Sacrifice.

              The Blood of each individual holds a promise.

              The sacrifice and blood of Jesus brings the promise of eternal life to those saved.

              The sacrifice and blood of Abel provided Cain with a similar promise... immortality.

              The 'Sin' that was crouching at the door was a literal entity.

              Cain made a deal with it, and thus forced God to acknowledge this deal by placing a Mark on Cain.

              What was the Mark?

              A fleshy form of immortality...

              Genesis 4:15
              "And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

              Notice the contradiction?

              What the above verse is actually saying is that Cain will be killed, but only TEMPORARILY.

              Every time this happens, vengeance will be taken on the murderers.


              Ultimately, Cain cannot be killed because he has the Mark and will come back again and again.


              • #8
                Originally posted by Base12 View Post
                Ultimately, Cain cannot be killed because he has the Mark and will come back again and again.
                Now fast forward to the Book of Revelation.

                The Mark of the Beast is the Mark of Cain.

                The Mark is the promise of immortality. Transhumanism...

                Revelation 9:6
                "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them"

                Those that have the Mark of Cain cannot be killed.

                Note that the word 'Cain' means to buy and sell.

                Thus, Cain is the 'Name of the Beast' mentioned here...

                Revelation 13:17
                "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

                666 is the Carbon Atom in which all life is made from.

                Cain is the Beast rising from the Sea.

                Each head represents each time Cain comes back to life...

                Revelation 13:3
                "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

                Read the above verse and meditate on what is being taught there.

                A DEADLY WOUND IS HEALED. This is what the Mark of the Beast is all about.

                The Mark of Cain. The Mark of immortality.

                Cain made a 'deal with the Devil' and paid the ultimate price.


                • #9

                  Originally posted by Base12 View Post
                  Hebrews 12:24 "And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"
                  Abel's blood condemned a murderer. (Gen 4:10)

                  Jesus' blood protects murderers. (John 1:29, 1John 2:2)


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WeberHome View Post

                    Abel's blood condemned a murderer. (Gen 4:10)

                    Jesus' blood protects murderers. (John 1:29, 1John 2:2)
                    Hi WeberHome.

                    I want to share something interesting about Abel's blood and Mystery Babylon.

                    As we all know, Mystery Babylon likes to drink blood...

                    Revelation 18:24
                    "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth"

                    What if 'all' truly meant all?

                    What if Mystery Babylon was there when Abel died and drank his blood?

                    Genesis 4:11
                    "And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand"

                    This would make Mystery Babylon either Earth, or the Spirit of Earth, like Gaia etc.

                    She liked the taste of Abel's blood and became addicted...

                    Revelation 17:6
                    "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration"

                    But then Jesus shows up and says this...

                    Matthew 23:35
                    "That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar"

                    In essence, what Jesus did was take all of the crimes of Earth, and transferred them onto Earthly Jerusalem.

                    Now Earthly Jerusalem becomes Mystery Babylon and has inherited all of the guilt since the foundation of the world...

                    Luke 11:50
                    "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation"