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  • TrevorL
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    Greetings again PneumaPsucheSoma and JudgeRightly,
    Originally posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    This is where your gross ignorance is on display. You presuppose that all mentioned persons are automatically individuated beings, and for humans that is the case. But for divinity, there can be one ousia (“being”, or more correctly the essential wealth of existence) and multiple hypostases (“persons”, or more correctly objective foundational underlying realites of indiviudal existence).
    So all you’ve done is indicate that you don’t know the difference between an ousia and an hypostasis, and that you don’t have any idea how the Patristics utilized these terms according to Apostolic influence to determine the minutiae of the Trinity doctrine.
    You aren’t even attempting to comprehend that which you come against. And you’re maliciously projecting created and human necessities upon an uncreated and divine Being.
    The Father is God (Divinity), and so is His Spirit and His Logos. The Greek anarthrous noun in John 1:1 clearly demonstrates this, but you have no idea what that means because you’re not a linguist or exegete. You’re just a guy trying to infuse his own frail and pathetic human reasoning into Theology Proper in conflict with the ancient authentic historical orthodox Christian faith. Your insufficient and hyper-limited subjective opinions and perceptions don’t prevail against Apostolic, Patristic, and linguistic truth just because you have no idea what the differences are between ousios and hypostases.
    AND... By His Logos. He spoke to create. Just because you don’t understand how God’s Logos could be the Son, it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. (And you should give up teaching children since you’re a neophyte.)
    And you’re teaching absolute antichrist heresy, for which you will be aeviternally culpable. You should be trembling, not bragging.
    And all because you can’t comprehend how the humanity of Theanthropos could be represented in this manner with Him still being divinity. That’s because you don’t know what the Greek words mean. So this is your English fallacies developing faithless children and teens, for which you will face judgment as do all heretics.
    I appreciate your long Post which I have abbreviated above. Yes I cannot accept your view, but believe that Jesus was a human, conceived by the Holy Spirit and thus born the Son of God Luke 1:35. He did not have two natures and did not exist before he was born. As a child he grew in wisdom Luke 2:40,52 and as such he did not have two minds.
    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The Father became Jesus' God at the incarnation of Christ, because Christ took on a second nature, that of Man.
    Did Jesus exist before He was conceived in Mary's womb?
    Refer my answer as above. The narrative and teaching of Luke 1 and 2 clearly teaches that there is One God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    Kind regards
    Trevor

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    Jesus became son of God when he was born of a woman. He was then "crucified in weakness" of the flesh.

    He then was declared to be son of God in power by being born from the dead. Called "first or chief born from the dead"
    Thank you for answering my question.

    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    When did the Father become Jesus' God?
    The Father became Jesus' God at the incarnation of Christ, because Christ took on a second nature, that of Man.

    Are you saying that Jesus' Father is not his Father and his God but that Jesus has no Father or God?
    No.

    Question:

    Did Jesus exist before He was conceived in Mary's womb?

    Jesus is called "the firstborn out of the dead".
    Agreed.

    Being raised from the dead is there likened to being born from the womb of a woman. Jesus was first called the son of God when he was born of a woman.
    Are you sure about that?

    "That which is born of flesh is flesh".
    Is that supposed to prove something (especially since you're taking it out of context...)?

    When Jesus was born out of the dead he was born of spirit. "That which is born of spirit is spirit.".
    Again, taking something out of context doesn't help your position.

    Now Jesus is called the son of God with power by the spirit of holiness (holy spirit)by being resurrected (born) from out of the dead.

    Rom 1:4 ; John 3:6
    Do you have a point?

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    Did Jesus exist before He was conceived in Mary's womb?

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  • Vail Lifted
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You didn't answer my question.

    Did Jesus go from being God to not God because He was born of a woman?
    Jesus became son of God when he was born of a woman. He was then "crucified in weakness" of the flesh.

    He then was declared to be son of God in power by being born from the dead. Called "first or chief born from the dead"

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    When did the Father become Jesus' God?

    Are you saying that Jesus' Father is not his Father and his God but that Jesus has no Father or God?

    Jesus is called "the firstborn out of the dead".

    Being raised from the dead is there likened to being born from the womb of a woman. Jesus was first called the son of God when he was born of a woman. "That which is born of flesh is flesh".

    When Jesus was born out of the dead he was born of spirit. "That which is born of spirit is spirit.".

    Now Jesus is called the son of God with power by the spirit of holiness (holy spirit)by being resurrected (born) from out of the dead.

    Rom 1:4 ; John 3:6
    You didn't answer my question.

    Did Jesus go from being God to not God because He was born of a woman?

    I'll answer yours once you answer mine. Ok?

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  • Vail Lifted
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Jesus existed before He came to Earth.

    So... did go from being God to not God because He was born of a woman?
    When did the Father become Jesus' God?

    Are you saying that Jesus' Father is not his Father and his God but that Jesus has no Father or God?

    Jesus is called "the firstborn out of the dead".

    Being raised from the dead is there likened to being born from the womb of a woman. Jesus was first called the son of God when he was born of a woman. "That which is born of flesh is flesh".

    When Jesus was born out of the dead he was born of spirit. "That which is born of spirit is spirit.".

    Now Jesus is called the son of God with power by the spirit of holiness (holy spirit)by being resurrected (born) from out of the dead.

    Rom 1:4 ; John 3:6

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    I answered your question by saying that the Father became both Jesus' Father and his God when Jesus was born of a woman. The Father doesn't have a Father or a God.
    Jesus existed before He came to Earth.

    So... did He go from being God to not God because He was born of a woman?
    Last edited by JudgeRightly; April 10th, 2019, 02:57 PM.

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  • Vail Lifted
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    That doesn't answer my question.

    My question was:



    Is that a prerequisite for being God?
    I answered your question by saying that the Father became both Jesus' Father and his God when Jesus was born of a woman. The Father doesn't have a Father or a God.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    The Father doesn't have a God. Jesus does. When Jesus was born and made of a woman his Father became both his Father and his God.
    That doesn't answer my question.

    My question was:

    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who said the Father was [...never born or made of a woman...]?
    Is that a prerequisite for being God?

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  • Vail Lifted
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who said the Father was?
    The Father doesn't have a God. Jesus does. When Jesus was born and made of a woman his Father became both his Father and his God.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
    The Father was never born or made of a woman.
    Who said the Father was?

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