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  • #61
    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
    Any act of obedience to Gods command is a work, a good work. Believing on Christ is a commandment of God, so therefore a good work 1 Jn 3:23

    And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Acts 16:31

    And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    The word believe here is the greek word
    pisteuō and in this instance its an imperative which means:

    The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.

    So believing here would be a good work performed by the Jailor if he obeyed the imperative !

    And if his act of obeying this command caused God to save him, then he was saved because of a god work he performed !

    Absolutely ! If a person claims one gets saved by his own act of obedience to any command whatsoever, that's tantamount to teaching Righteousness by the Law, making Christ's death meaningless.

    So the Gospel command to Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22, is exclusively directed to the regenerate [Spiritually Alive] to be obeyed: But not offered to all without exception, as taught by those who promote a false gospel of works the Apostle Paul warned about Gal. 1:8.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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    • #62
      Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
      accomplished by the mind , gotta it

      accomplish
      1. to bring to its goal or conclusion; carry out; perform; finish:
      2. to complete

      accomplished
      1. completed; done; effected:




      nothing there that can
      accomplish a work


      so thinking not working



      mental activity can
      accomplish nothing



      again the definition you provided says accomplished

      "any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind"

      hatred needs to be carried out or performed to be manifested





      Denial
      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

      Charles Spurgeon !

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      • #63
        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
        Looking forward to it. Most folk want to discuss everything but the OP points!

        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
        Denial

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        • #64
          Mans religion will tell you that Salvation/Justification is a recompense for mans act of believing or faith. Thats Salvation by works. They're telling us that Justification before God is premise on mans action or deed of faith/believing and not Christ alone in His Person and Work!
          "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
          preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
          called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
          a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

          Charles Spurgeon !

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          • #65
            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
            Mans religion will tell you that Salvation/Justification is a recompense for mans act of believing or faith. Thats Salvation by works. They're telling us that Justification before God is premise on mans action or deed of faith/believing and not Christ alone in His Person and Work!

            Right on Brother !

            If a person takes credit for his own believing or faith in Christ, as an act of obedience of theirs, no matter how subtle the degree, that's salvation by works. For Faith is the evidence of Salvation/Justification Gal. 5:22, and not the cause of it.
            My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
            when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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            • #66
              Yes Faith is a work, its the act/deed of the man or women who has been #1 Made Righteous by the sole obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19 and #2 who has been born again by the Spirit of God, for Faith is the fruit/work of the Spirit Gal 5:22

              22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

              The word fruit
              karpos means:

              (a) fruit, generally vegetable, sometimes animal, (b) met: fruit, deed, action, result, (c) profit, gain.

              In fact the word also signifies:

              Metaphorically, that which originates or comes

              from something; an effect, result;
              a. equivalent to ἔργον, work, act, deed:
              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

              Charles Spurgeon !

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              • #67
                Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                If we agree with the overall definition of work according to the greek word for work ergon:

                See strongs # 2041:

                1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied
                  1. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

                2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind


                Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                Yes Faith is a work,
                your highlighted definition
                "any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind"


                accomplish
                1. to bring to its goal or conclusion; carry out; perform; finish:
                2. to complete

                accomplished
                1. completed; done; effected:

                by the definition you highlighted faith is not a work

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                • #68
                  You dont understand the word work. I laid it out for you.
                  Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                  your highlighted definition
                  "any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind"


                  accomplish
                  1. to bring to its goal or conclusion; carry out; perform; finish:
                  2. to complete

                  accomplished
                  1. completed; done; effected:

                  by the definition you highlighted faith is not a work
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                  "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                  preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                  called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                  a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                  Charles Spurgeon !

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                  • #69
                    I see this same silly argument over and over. It was Gods grace that saved you. In His grace (unsolicited mercy) No works were done to get Him to come up with a new way of pleasing Him. God came up with it all on His own. That new way or opportunity is by sending Jesus with the law of Christ. And in that law we have to work out our salvation through obedience to Jesus and the law of Christ.

                    [Eph 2:8

                    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,

                    [Phl 2:12
                    12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                      Yes Faith is a work, its the act/deed of the man or women who has been #1 Made Righteous by the sole obedience of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19 and #2 who has been born again by the Spirit of God, for Faith is the fruit/work of the Spirit Gal 5:22

                      22 [FONT="]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

                      The word fruit [/FONT]
                      karpos means:

                      (a) fruit, generally vegetable, sometimes animal, (b) met: fruit, deed, action, result, (c) profit, gain.

                      In fact the word also signifies:

                      Metaphorically, that which originates or comes

                      from something; an effect, result;
                      a. equivalent to ἔργον, work, act, deed:

                      Perfectly Stated !

                      The Faith / Believing that is a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 is good work a person does once he has received New Birth passively. He does this good work of Believing to the saving of his soul Heb. 10:39 as a result of being made Righteous by the obedience of Christ on his behalf Rom. 5:19.

                      Now those who have not been Born of the Spirit, the work of believing they perform is fruitless with regard to salvation, for those in the flesh cannot please God Rom. 8:8.
                      My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                      when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Nanja View Post
                        Perfectly Stated !

                        The Faith / Believing that is a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22 is good work a person does once he has received New Birth passively. He does this good work of Believing to the saving of his soul Heb. 10:39 as a result of being made Righteous by the obedience of Christ on his behalf Rom. 5:19.

                        Now those who have not been Born of the Spirit, the work of believing they perform is fruitless with regard to salvation, for those in the flesh cannot please God Rom. 8:8.
                        so perfectly stated it fails the OP's criteria

                        work=
                        "any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind"


                        accomplish
                        1. to bring to its goal or conclusion; carry out; perform; finish:
                        2. to complete

                        by definition faith is not a work

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                          by definition faith is not a work

                          Sure it is. Faith / Believing is a work of the mind.

                          Unless a person has been Born of the Spirit of God and Given Faith Gal 5:22; John 3:27 he cannot please God Rom. 8:8.


                          Eph. 2:8-9

                          8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

                          9 Not of works [ergon], lest any man should boast.



                          G2041: ergon

                          1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied

                          a. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

                          2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
                          an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasized in opp. to that which is less than work
                          My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                          when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Nanja View Post
                            Sure it is. Faith / Believing is a work of the mind.

                            Unless a person has been Born of the Spirit of God and Given Faith Gal 5:22; John 3:27 he cannot please God Rom. 8:8.


                            Eph. 2:8-9

                            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

                            9 Not of works [ergon], lest any man should boast.



                            G2041: ergon

                            1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied

                            a. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

                            2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
                            an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasized in opp. to that which is less than work
                            Amen. Also faith, believing is an act, deed or a thing done, which by definition is a work !

                            Paul told the jailor after he asked the question " what must i do to be saved"?

                            And Paul responded with this imperative "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

                            This certainly implies that believing on the Lord is something done, which by definition is a work !
                            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                            Charles Spurgeon !

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                              Amen. Also faith, believing is an act, deed or a thing done, which by definition is a work !

                              Paul told the jailor after he asked the question " what must i do to be saved"?

                              And Paul responded with this imperative "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

                              This certainly implies that believing on the Lord is something done, which by definition is a work !

                              Yes indeed; a work done by one God has made Spiritually Alive; a work that pleases Him Rom. 8:9.
                              My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                              when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Nanja View Post
                                Yes indeed; a work done by one God has made Spiritually Alive; a work that pleases Him Rom. 8:9.
                                Exactly Eph 2:10
                                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                                Charles Spurgeon !

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