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    Are You In Christ?

    I Jn 5:18-20
    18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
    19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
    I Jn 5:9-13
    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
    10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
    11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
    12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
    13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
    I Jn 5:1-4
    1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
    2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
    4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.
    I Jn 4:14-17
    14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
    15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
    16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
    17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
    Rom 6:23
    23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Rom 6:7-13
    7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
    8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
    9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
    10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
    11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
    13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
    Rom 6:16
    16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
    2 Cor 10:1-5
    1 Now I, Paul, myself am pleading with you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ-- who in presence am lowly among you, but being absent am bold toward you.
    2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
    3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
    4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
    5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
    Rom 9:1-8
    1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
    2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
    3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
    4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
    5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
    6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
    7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
    8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
    (NKJ)

    XXX You cant be in Christ if your worshiping in the flesh. You cant be in Christ if you think Jesus is God. Paul was very sorrowful, and griefed in his heart over these people. Paul knew they were still in the flesh, and not in the Spirit.



    John 3:3
    3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
    (NKJ)

    John 3:5-7
    5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
    6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
    (NKJ)

    1 Pet 1:22-25
    22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
    23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
    24 because "All flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, and its flower falls away,
    25 But the word of the Lord endures forever." Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
    (NKJ)

    John 5:38-41
    38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
    39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
    40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
    41 "I do not receive honor from men.
    (NKJ)

    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

  • #2
    You cant be in Christ if you think Jesus is God.
    Why? Jesus is the eternal God.

    1 John 1:1-2 New Living Translation (NLT)

    Introduction
    1 We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is the Word of life. 2 This one who is life itself was revealed to us, and we have seen him. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who is eternal life. He was with the Father, and then he was revealed to us.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
      Why? Jesus is the eternal God.

      1 John 1:1-2 New Living Translation (NLT)

      Introduction
      1 We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is the Word of life. 2 This one who is life itself was revealed to us, and we have seen him. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who is eternal life. He was with the Father, and then he was revealed to us.
      I said
      I see you gave up on the real bibles and turned to the living bible. We know that the Father is God. Because the Word says so. And like your verse there it says we seen Jesus we heard Jesus.
      But in this verse we have never seen God the Father or heard His voice. So Jesus cant be God.

      [Jhn 5:37-38
      37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
      38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.


      Jesus told you the Father is the only true God.

      [Jhn 17:1-3
      1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
      2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
      3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

      Jesus told you that we have the very same God and very same Father that He does.

      [Jhn 20:17
      17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "

      Paul told you the very same thing. Yet for us there is one God the Father.

      [1Co 8:6
      6 yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

      Why do you keep trying to make out that Jesus and Paul lied?

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
        I said
        I see you gave up on the real bibles and turned to the living bible. We know that the Father is God. Because the Word says so. And like your verse there it says we seen Jesus we heard Jesus.
        But in this verse we have never seen God the Father or heard His voice. So Jesus cant be God.

        [Jhn 5:37-38
        37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
        38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.


        Jesus told you the Father is the only true God.

        [Jhn 17:1-3
        1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
        2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
        3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

        Jesus told you that we have the very same God and very same Father that He does.

        [Jhn 20:17
        17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "

        Paul told you the very same thing. Yet for us there is one God the Father.

        [1Co 8:6
        6 yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

        Why do you keep trying to make out that Jesus and Paul lied?
        Maybe you should use the NLT. It would help you greatly with one thing, CONTEXT

        John 5:38 says you do not believe.

        And you do not quote the entire passage in John 17:1-5

        John 17:1-5New Living Translation (NLT)

        The Prayer of Jesus
        17 After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. 2 For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him. 3 And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. 4 I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

        John 20:17, He never says that He is not God does He?

        1 Corinthians 8:6New Living Translation (NLT)

        6 But for us,

        There is one God, the Father,
        by whom all things were created,
        and for whom we live.
        And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
        through whom all things were created,
        and through whom we live.


        Hmmmmm. He created all things. Sounds like God to me.
        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

        Jim Elliot

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
          Maybe you should use the NLT. It would help you greatly with one thing, CONTEXT

          John 5:38 says you do not believe.

          And you do not quote the entire passage in John 17:1-5

          John 17:1-5New Living Translation (NLT)

          The Prayer of Jesus
          17 After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. 2 For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him. 3 And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. 4 I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

          John 20:17, He never says that He is not God does He?

          1 Corinthians 8:6New Living Translation (NLT)

          6 But for us,

          There is one God, the Father,
          by whom all things were created,
          and for whom we live.
          And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
          through whom all things were created,
          and through whom we live.


          Hmmmmm. He created all things. Sounds like God to me.
          I said
          ROFLOL I cant believe your still trying that. Just because He didn't say "He was not God' your going to try and use that as evidence? Jesus never said He was not satan, does that make Him satan? And when Jesus said the Father was the only true God, He was saying that He wasn't God.

          I have told you to get you a bible dictionary. You must quit guessing. The word through means "reason for". The reason God the Father created everything was for Jesus.

          You have all your He's and Him's mixed up.
          He's and Him's
          2 Cor 5:18
          18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
          Heb 2:10
          10 For it was fitting for Him(Father), for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain(Jesus) of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
          1 Pet 4:19
          19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God(Father) commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator(Father).
          1 Cor 11:3
          3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ(Jesus), the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ(Jesus) is God(Father).
          Eph 2:10
          10 For we are His(Father) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God(Father) prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
          Eph 3:8-11
          8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
          9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God(Father) who created all things through Jesus Christ;
          10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God(Father) might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
          11 according to the eternal purpose which He(Father) accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
          Col 1:13-20
          13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(Father) love,
          14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
          15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
          16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
          17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
          18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
          19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
          20 and by Him(Jesus) to reconcile all things to Himself(Father), by Him(Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His(Jesus) cross.
          Rev 4:11
          11 "You are worthy, O Lord(Father), to receive glory and honor and power; for You(Father) created all things, and by Your(Father) will they exist and were created."
          Mark 10:6
          6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God(Father) 'made them male and female.'
          Rom 1:20
          20 For since the creation of the world His(Father) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His(Father) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
          Rev 3:14
          14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
          Col 1:15
          15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
          John 5:37-40
          37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me(Jesus), has testified of Me(Jesus). You have neither heard His(Father) voice at any time, nor seen His (Father) form.
          38 "But you do not have His(Father) word abiding in you, because whom He(Father) sent, Him(Jesus) you do not believe.
          39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me(Jesus).
          40 "But you are not willing to come to Me(Jesus) that you may have life.
          Rom 11:32-36
          32 For God(Father)has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
          33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God(Father)! How unsearchable are His(Father) judgments and His(Father) ways past finding out!
          34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord(Jesus)? Or who has become His(Jesus) counselor?"
          35 "Or who has first given to Him(Jesus) and it shall be repaid to him?"
          36 For of Him(Father) and through Him(Jesus) and to Him(Father) are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
          (NKJ)

          THROUGH CHRIST---REASON FOR WAS CHRIST
          xxxThe deffinition of through- is reason for. So God created everything through or for the reason of Jesus. God created everything for Jesus sake.

          Heb 1:1-6
          1 God(Father), who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
          2 has in these last days spoken to us by His(Father) Son(Jesus), whom He(Father) has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He(Father) made the worlds;
          3 who being the brightness of His(Father) glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His(Father) power, when He(Jesus) had by Himself(Jesus) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty(Father) on high,
          4 having become so much better than the angels, as He(Jesus) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
          5 For to which of the angels did He(Father) ever say: "You(Jesus) are My(Father) Son(Jesus), today I(Father) have begotten You(Jesus)"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He(Jesus) shall be to Me(Father) a Son"?
          6 But when He(Father) again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says: "Let all the angels of God(Father) worship Him(Jesus)."

          Heb 1:7-11
          7 And of the angels He(Father) says: "Who makes His(Father) angels spirits and His(Father) ministers a flame of fire."
          8 But to the Son(Jesus) He(Father) says: "Your(Jesus) throne, O God(Jesus), is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your(Jesus) Kingdom.
          9 You(Jesus) have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God(Father), Your(Jesus) God(Father), has anointed You(Jesus) with the oil of gladness more than Your(Jesus) companions."
          10 And: "You(Father), Lord(Father), in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
          11 They will perish, but You(Father) remain; and they will all grow old like a garment;
          (NKJ)

          2 Cor 3:4
          4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God(Father).
          Gal 4:7
          7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God(Father) through Christ(Jesus).
          Phil 4:7
          7 and the peace of God(Father), which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
          Phil 4:13
          13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
          John 1:17
          17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
          Rom 1:8
          8 First, I thank my God(Father) through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
          Rom 5:21
          21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
          2 Cor 5:18-19
          18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
          19 that is, that God(Father) was in Christ(Jesus) reconciling the world to Himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
          (NKJ)

          xxx God the Father done all the creating. God the Father sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. And to be an example of how to worship God the Father in the right Spirit. God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus. The heavens and the earth were created for Jesus. Now to purchase them Jesus had to die on the cross. We all have to prove ourselves to God. Jesus proved Himself, and made the way that we can prove ourselves.
          GOD EVEN CREATED JESUS
          John 17:5
          5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me(Jesus) together with Yourself(Father), with the glory which I(Jesus) had with You(Father) before the world was.
          Col 1:15
          15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
          Rev 3:14
          14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
          (NKJ)

          Eph 1:3-5
          3 Blessed be the God(Father) and Father(Father) of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
          4 just as He(Father) chose us(Christians) in Him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him(Father) in love,
          5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
          (NKJ)

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
            I said
            ROFLOL I cant believe your still trying that. Just because He didn't say "He was not God' your going to try and use that as evidence? Jesus never said He was not satan, does that make Him satan? And when Jesus said the Father was the only true God, He was saying that He wasn't God.

            I have told you to get you a bible dictionary. You must quit guessing. The word through means "reason for". The reason God the Father created everything was for Jesus.

            You have all your He's and Him's mixed up.
            He's and Him's
            2 Cor 5:18
            18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
            Heb 2:10
            10 For it was fitting for Him(Father), for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain(Jesus) of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
            1 Pet 4:19
            19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God(Father) commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator(Father).
            1 Cor 11:3
            3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ(Jesus), the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ(Jesus) is God(Father).
            Eph 2:10
            10 For we are His(Father) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God(Father) prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
            Eph 3:8-11
            8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
            9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God(Father) who created all things through Jesus Christ;
            10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God(Father) might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
            11 according to the eternal purpose which He(Father) accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
            Col 1:13-20
            13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(Father) love,
            14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
            15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
            16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
            17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
            18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
            19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
            20 and by Him(Jesus) to reconcile all things to Himself(Father), by Him(Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His(Jesus) cross.
            Rev 4:11
            11 "You are worthy, O Lord(Father), to receive glory and honor and power; for You(Father) created all things, and by Your(Father) will they exist and were created."
            Mark 10:6
            6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God(Father) 'made them male and female.'
            Rom 1:20
            20 For since the creation of the world His(Father) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His(Father) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
            Rev 3:14
            14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
            Col 1:15
            15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
            John 5:37-40
            37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me(Jesus), has testified of Me(Jesus). You have neither heard His(Father) voice at any time, nor seen His (Father) form.
            38 "But you do not have His(Father) word abiding in you, because whom He(Father) sent, Him(Jesus) you do not believe.
            39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me(Jesus).
            40 "But you are not willing to come to Me(Jesus) that you may have life.
            Rom 11:32-36
            32 For God(Father)has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
            33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God(Father)! How unsearchable are His(Father) judgments and His(Father) ways past finding out!
            34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord(Jesus)? Or who has become His(Jesus) counselor?"
            35 "Or who has first given to Him(Jesus) and it shall be repaid to him?"
            36 For of Him(Father) and through Him(Jesus) and to Him(Father) are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
            (NKJ)

            THROUGH CHRIST---REASON FOR WAS CHRIST
            xxxThe deffinition of through- is reason for. So God created everything through or for the reason of Jesus. God created everything for Jesus sake.

            Heb 1:1-6
            1 God(Father), who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
            2 has in these last days spoken to us by His(Father) Son(Jesus), whom He(Father) has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He(Father) made the worlds;
            3 who being the brightness of His(Father) glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His(Father) power, when He(Jesus) had by Himself(Jesus) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty(Father) on high,
            4 having become so much better than the angels, as He(Jesus) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
            5 For to which of the angels did He(Father) ever say: "You(Jesus) are My(Father) Son(Jesus), today I(Father) have begotten You(Jesus)"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He(Jesus) shall be to Me(Father) a Son"?
            6 But when He(Father) again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says: "Let all the angels of God(Father) worship Him(Jesus)."

            Heb 1:7-11
            7 And of the angels He(Father) says: "Who makes His(Father) angels spirits and His(Father) ministers a flame of fire."
            8 But to the Son(Jesus) He(Father) says: "Your(Jesus) throne, O God(Jesus), is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your(Jesus) Kingdom.
            9 You(Jesus) have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God(Father), Your(Jesus) God(Father), has anointed You(Jesus) with the oil of gladness more than Your(Jesus) companions."
            10 And: "You(Father), Lord(Father), in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
            11 They will perish, but You(Father) remain; and they will all grow old like a garment;
            (NKJ)

            2 Cor 3:4
            4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God(Father).
            Gal 4:7
            7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God(Father) through Christ(Jesus).
            Phil 4:7
            7 and the peace of God(Father), which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
            Phil 4:13
            13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
            John 1:17
            17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
            Rom 1:8
            8 First, I thank my God(Father) through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
            Rom 5:21
            21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
            2 Cor 5:18-19
            18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
            19 that is, that God(Father) was in Christ(Jesus) reconciling the world to Himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
            (NKJ)

            xxx God the Father done all the creating. God the Father sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. And to be an example of how to worship God the Father in the right Spirit. God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus. The heavens and the earth were created for Jesus. Now to purchase them Jesus had to die on the cross. We all have to prove ourselves to God. Jesus proved Himself, and made the way that we can prove ourselves.
            GOD EVEN CREATED JESUS
            John 17:5
            5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me(Jesus) together with Yourself(Father), with the glory which I(Jesus) had with You(Father) before the world was.
            Col 1:15
            15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
            Rev 3:14
            14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
            (NKJ)

            Eph 1:3-5
            3 Blessed be the God(Father) and Father(Father) of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
            4 just as He(Father) chose us(Christians) in Him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him(Father) in love,
            5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
            (NKJ)
            You sound more and more like a Pharisee as the years go by, attributing the works of God to Satan.
            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

            Jim Elliot

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            • #7
              Yes
              "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

              "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

              Pro scripture = Protestant

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                You sound more and more like a Pharisee as the years go by, attributing the works of God to Satan.
                I said
                lol And you sound more and more like the antichrist trying to prove Jesus and Paul lied. They didn't. Jesus didn't say You and I or Me and You. Jesus said the Father IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. You keep calling Jesus a liar.

                [Jhn 17:1-3
                1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
                2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
                3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You,

                the only true God,

                and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                  Yes
                  I said
                  lol This is what I don't understand, how can you say your a believer, and not believe what is written. The Word says not to even think beyond what is written. And trinity IS NOT written, deity IS NOT written in the bible.

                  [1Co 4:6
                  6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                    Yes
                    Are you agreeing with BR? or with squeaky?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by meshak View Post
                      Are you agreeing with BR? or with squeaky?
                      I said
                      lol I don't guess he will answer.

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                      • #12
                        Seems you would attach it to the last post previous to his
                        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                        Jim Elliot

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                          Seems you would attach it to the last post previous to his
                          I said
                          ROFLOL Where in the world do you get attach???

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
                            I said
                            ROFLOL Where in the world do you get attach???
                            What are you laughing at if you don't have a clue.
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                              What are you laughing at if you don't have a clue.
                              I said
                              I'm laughing at you. You have always used gross exaggerations to make your point out side scripture.
                              But when I ask a simple question you came back with "attach". Where in the world is there any kind of attach?

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