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  • #16
    Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
    [FONT="]Concealing the name of God[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]

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    [FONT="]Concealing the name of God was not only a custom, it was also made a law.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]The sages quoted, "This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. iii. 15). Here the word "le-'olam" (forever) is written defectively, being without the "waw" for the vowel "o," which renders the reading "le-'allem" (to conceal; Ḳid. 71a).[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanh. xi. 1). [/FONT]
    [FONT="]30 AD to 70 AD.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Abba Saul (2d cent.) condemned the profanation of the Tetragrammaton by classing those "that speak the Name according to its letters," with those who have no part in the future world (Sanh. x. 1); and according to 'Ab. Zarah 17b, one of the martyrs of Hadrian's time, Hananiah b. Teradion, was burned at the stake because he so uttered the Name. [/FONT]
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    [FONT="]The view that prayer is more effectual if the name of God is pronounced in it as it is written caused the scholars of Kairwan to address a question in the eleventh century to Hai Gaon with reference to the pronunciation of the Shem ha-Meforash, to which he answered that it might not be uttered at all outside the Holy Land (Hai Gaon, "Ṭa'am Zeḳenim," p. 55; see Löw, "Gesammelte Schriften," i. 204).[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Thirteen theophoric names with "Yeho" have corresponding forms where the letters eh have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ‎) into Jo (יוֹ‎), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Theophoric Names:[/FONT][FONT="] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophoric_name[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Exodus 34:5[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Then Yahwah came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, Yahwah.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]1 Chronicles 16:8[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name[/FONT][FONT="]; make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Psalm 34:3[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Glorify Yahwah with me; let us exalt his name together.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Psalm 68:4[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—his name is Yahwah.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Psalm 96:2[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Sing to Yahwah, praise his name[/FONT][FONT="]; proclaim his salvation day after day.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Psalm 105:1[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name;[/FONT][FONT="] make known among the nations what he has done.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Psalm 148:13[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Let them praise the name of Yahwah, for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Isaiah 12:4[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]In that day you will say: “Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Isaiah 47:4[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Our Redeemer—Yahwah of Host is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Isaiah 52:6[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]Therefore my people will know my name[/FONT][FONT="]; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Malachi 2:2[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you[/FONT][FONT="], and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Last Days.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Zechariah 13:9[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
    [FONT="]This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
    Exodus 3:13-15.[/FONT]
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    13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
    14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
    15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Exodus 6:3[/FONT][FONT="]
    [/FONT][FONT="]I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty[/FONT][FONT="], but by my name Yahwah I did not make myself fully known to them.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Yahwah
    A note on the words hawah and hayah.[/FONT]
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    Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69 on page 217.
    Brown-Driver-Briggs on page 218 states that, "Many recent scholars explain [/FONT][FONT="]יהוה[/FONT][FONT="]‎ as Hiph. of [/FONT][FONT="]הוה[/FONT][FONT="] equals [/FONT][FONT="]היה[/FONT][FONT="] "

    [/FONT][FONT="]הוה[/FONT][FONT="] hawah / HWH is hawah.
    [/FONT][FONT="]היה[/FONT][FONT="] hayah / HYH is hayah.


    Note that the vowels are all " a."
    [/FONT][FONT="]יהוה[/FONT][FONT="] Yahwah[/FONT]


    [FONT="]The vowels are "a" in the Brown-Driver-Briggs, the NIV Exhaustive Concordance, and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordances.[/FONT]
    The name Yahwah is from the Aramaic, not the Hebrew.
    I enjoyed reading your conclusions. I agree that God Almighty certainly revealed his chosen name. I believe that mankind began to conceal his name due to fear. I also believe that knowing his chosen name is very important to understanding who the Father and the Son are. Now, whether it is written in the Jewish language as YHWH or in King James English as LORD it still reveals the same truths about who the Father and Son are.

    Several quotes for you:
    Exodus 3:13-1
    13 And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;" and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' "What shall I say unto them?"
    14 And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and he said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
    15 And God said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham; the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me (Moses) unto you. This (The LORD God or YHWH of ... A, I, J) is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

    IOW, LORD God or YHWH is God chosen name.

    Then God says to Isaiah:
    Isaiah 42:8 I AM the LORD/YHWH: that is my name and my glory will I not give to anotehr, neither my praise to graven images.
    Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am The LORD; and beside ME there is no savior.
    My interpretation: I (The LORD God of A,I,J), am The LORD; and beside ME (as The LORD of...)there is no savior.

    My conclusions are drawn after reading what Jesus said about himself:
    John 13:13
    Ye (my disciples) call me (Jesus) Master and Lord: and ye say well, for so I AM.



    My conclusions:
    I believed the name Lord had become trivialized over generations to mean a person in some sort of authority position and this was probably used by the disciples in that way; yet, I believe that Jesus understood that it was originally The Chosen Name of God. With his full knowledge Jesus said they were right to call him LORD

    Now, if The LORD God Almighty professed in the OT to be the only Savior ... and that his chosen name is LORD/YHWY, and if Jesus then professed in the NT that he also Lord of his disciples, then I believe that our Lord Jesus was the LORD God come as the Savior. IOW ... equal.

    Now, knowing about the name of God helps us begin to understand the trinity ... at least, the Father, who worked in times past, and the Savior Son Lord Jesus, who worked in his day.
    John 5:17
    My Father worketh hitherto (in the past), and I work (now).

    John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
    (IOW, the one God was ultimately seen by men as two personages, who were both The one Lord God.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ps82 View Post
      I enjoyed reading your conclusions. I agree that God Almighty certainly revealed his chosen name. I believe that mankind began to conceal his name due to fear. I also believe that knowing his chosen name is very important to understanding who the Father and the Son are. Now, whether it is written in the Jewish language as YHWH or in King James English as LORD it still reveals the same truths about who the Father and Son are.

      Several quotes for you:
      Exodus 3:13-1
      13 And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;" and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' "What shall I say unto them?"
      14 And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and he said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
      15 And God said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham; the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me (Moses) unto you. This (The LORD God or YHWH of ... A, I, J) is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

      IOW, LORD God or YHWH is God chosen name.

      Then God says to Isaiah:
      Isaiah 42:8 I AM the LORD/YHWH: that is my name and my glory will I not give to anotehr, neither my praise to graven images.
      Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am The LORD; and beside ME there is no savior.
      My interpretation: I (The LORD God of A,I,J), am The LORD; and beside ME (as The LORD of...)there is no savior.

      My conclusions are drawn after reading what Jesus said about himself:
      John 13:13
      Ye (my disciples) call me (Jesus) Master and Lord: and ye say well, for so I AM.



      My conclusions:
      I believed the name Lord had become trivialized over generations to mean a person in some sort of authority position and this was probably used by the disciples in that way; yet, I believe that Jesus understood that it was originally The Chosen Name of God. With his full knowledge Jesus said they were right to call him LORD

      Now, if The LORD God Almighty professed in the OT to be the only Savior ... and that his chosen name is LORD/YHWY, and if Jesus then professed in the NT that he also Lord of his disciples, then I believe that our Lord Jesus was the LORD God come as the Savior. IOW ... equal.

      Now, knowing about the name of God helps us begin to understand the trinity ... at least, the Father, who worked in times past, and the Savior Son Lord Jesus, who worked in his day.
      John 5:17
      My Father worketh hitherto (in the past), and I work (now).

      John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
      (IOW, the one God was ultimately seen by men as two personages, who were both The one Lord God.
      There is a difference between a personal name and a title. Orthodox Judaism has never believed that God is a Trinity. "Being one" means that there is unity, as in unit.

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      • #18
        The name Jehovah and Jesus are recent man-made inventions. There are no Havenly persons by those names.

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        • #19
          I'm still waiting for a reply.

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          • #20
            I will check tomorrow for any replies. Good night.

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            • #21
              It wasn't the scribes or the translators that hid the only Name that can save. It was hidden by the Eternal Almighty.

              How can a man call upon a name he doesn't know.
              I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

              "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

              I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
              A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
              If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

              Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

              I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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              • #22
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                  The point is that there is no one by the name of Jehovah.
                  My name in English is "Pamela." In a country where Spanish is spoken they pronounce my name "Pa-MELLA." In China they would pronounce it some other way. In ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs it is something else. Does that mean that Pa-mella or Ching-tse-ou doesn't exist?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ps82 View Post
                    I enjoyed reading your conclusions. I agree that God Almighty certainly revealed his chosen name. I believe that mankind began to conceal his name due to fear. I also believe that knowing his chosen name is very important to understanding who the Father and the Son are. Now, whether it is written in the Jewish language as YHWH or in King James English as LORD it still reveals the same truths about who the Father and Son are.

                    Several quotes for you:
                    Exodus 3:13-1
                    13 And Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;" and they shall say to me, 'What is his name?' "What shall I say unto them?"
                    14 And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and he said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
                    15 And God said moreover unto Moses, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham; the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me (Moses) unto you. This (The LORD God or YHWH of ... A, I, J) is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

                    IOW, LORD God or YHWH is God chosen name.

                    Then God says to Isaiah:
                    Isaiah 42:8 I AM the LORD/YHWH: that is my name and my glory will I not give to anotehr, neither my praise to graven images.
                    Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am The LORD; and beside ME there is no savior.
                    My interpretation: I (The LORD God of A,I,J), am The LORD; and beside ME (as The LORD of...)there is no savior.

                    My conclusions are drawn after reading what Jesus said about himself:
                    John 13:13
                    Ye (my disciples) call me (Jesus) Master and Lord: and ye say well, for so I AM.



                    My conclusions:
                    I believed the name Lord had become trivialized over generations to mean a person in some sort of authority position and this was probably used by the disciples in that way; yet, I believe that Jesus understood that it was originally The Chosen Name of God. With his full knowledge Jesus said they were right to call him LORD

                    Now, if The LORD God Almighty professed in the OT to be the only Savior ... and that his chosen name is LORD/YHWY, and if Jesus then professed in the NT that he also Lord of his disciples, then I believe that our Lord Jesus was the LORD God come as the Savior. IOW ... equal.

                    Now, knowing about the name of God helps us begin to understand the trinity ... at least, the Father, who worked in times past, and the Savior Son Lord Jesus, who worked in his day.
                    John 5:17
                    My Father worketh hitherto (in the past), and I work (now).

                    John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
                    (IOW, the one God was ultimately seen by men as two personages, who were both The one Lord God.
                    You say that "Lord" is God's name? LOL! Any one who has done any studying at all knows that "Lord" was substituted for the name of God by men who wanted to obscure the real name. YHWH is in the Bible in Hebrew more than 7,000 times. Wherever "Lord" in upper-case letters appears, you know that is where "YHWH" is written in the original language. Because "Lord" has replaced the name of God (YHWH), people are confused as to which "Lord" is being referred to in the scriptures. YHWH is DISTINCT FROM Jesus Christ. They are not the same "Lord."

                    "My Father and I are one" simply means that the two AGREE. The are unified. In John 17:20-23 you can see that Jesus' DISCIPLES are also "one" with the Father and with Jesus. Are they also "the one Lord God"?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                      The name Jehovah and Jesus are recent man-made inventions. There are no Havenly persons by those names.
                      But when we use those names people know who we are referring to. There are different pronunciations for ALL names, depending on what language one speaks.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                        But when we use those names people know who we are referring to. There are different pronunciations for ALL names, depending on what language one speaks.
                        The names Jehovah and Jesus are actually insults, that is why I do not like to use them.


                        The term is now recognized by all proficient Bible scholars to be a late hybrid form, a translation error, that was never used by the Jews.
                        Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
                        “Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.” (“Jehovah,” Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)
                        Encyclopedia Americana:
                        “Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.” (Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)
                        Encyclopedia Britannica:
                        “The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.” (“Yahweh,” The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)
                        The Jewish Encyclopedia:
                        “Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.” (“Jehovah,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)
                        The New Jewish Encyclopedia:
                        “It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.” (“Jehovah,” The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.)

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                        • #27


                          History of the name Jesus:
                          The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until after the year 1525,when Sir William Tyndale, a Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England; invented it.


                          Yahshua worked to fulfill prophecy by establishing God's Holy Name in the New Testament. But Trinitarian Christians burned the originals to establish their own version of scriptures. If this is not true, then show me God's actual personal name in the New Testament.



                          Hebrews 2:12
                          He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”


                          Because the Galileans always dropped their 'ayins', hence "y'shu," for which in the talmud many Jewish people use as an acronym meaning “may his name be blotted out”.


                          The letters in "YSHU" stood for the sentence, "Yemach Shmo u'Zikro" meaning "may his name be blotted out" (from the scroll of life). According to a Jewish proverb, the worst death is eternal anonymity.

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                          • #28
                            The people of God call upon His name, and those who are not His people do not call upon His name.


                            Zechariah 13:9
                            This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”

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