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  • Was Yeshua Perfect?

    Was every action we have a record of 100% in accordance with Love? Akin to how the creator of heaven and earth would be?

    I'm the temple he lost his temper.
    I'm Matthew we see him speak bluntly to his disciples, often mocking them.

    If Yeshua was more human than God, would that give a clearer understanding of where we are now 2000 years later?


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  • #2
    Originally posted by stephencbh View Post
    Was every action we have a record of 100% in accordance with Love? Akin to how the creator of heaven and earth would be?

    I'm the temple he lost his temper.
    I'm Matthew we see him speak bluntly to his disciples, often mocking them.

    If Yeshua was more human than God, would that give a clearer understanding of where we are now 2000 years later?


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    Elohim is not Good because of anything He does. Elohim is Good intrinsically. Anything He wills, says or performs is good, because He is Good. The Son and the Father are One.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Truster View Post
      Elohim is not Good because of anything He does. Elohim is Good intrinsically. Anything He wills, says or performs is good, because He is Good. The Son and the Father are One.
      The Son and the Father are one in certain aspects, how can the God we are inside of be inside a body. Plus God is clearly female too.

      You skipped the question, based on the records we have of the man who ate earthly food, Yeshua Ben Joseph.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Truster View Post
        Elohim is not Good because of anything He does. Elohim is Good intrinsically. Anything He wills, says or performs is good, because He is Good. The Son and the Father are One.
        John 8:18 Two persons

        I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”


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        • #5
          Originally posted by stephencbh View Post
          Was every action we have a record of 100% in accordance with Love? Akin to how the creator of heaven and earth would be?

          I'm the temple he lost his temper.
          I'm Matthew we see him speak bluntly to his disciples, often mocking them.

          If Yeshua was more human than God, would that give a clearer understanding of where we are now 2000 years later?


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          As the symbolic 'greater Adam' giving his life for the 'perfect' life that Adam threw away Jesus was obviously 'perfect'. Do you know what Gods standard is for human perfection?
          John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SonOfCaleb View Post
            As the symbolic 'greater Adam' giving his life for the 'perfect' life that Adam threw away Jesus was obviously 'perfect'. Do you know what Gods standard is for human perfection?
            Sinless?

            I think Yeshua became more and more perfect. Perhaps becoming perfect at his glorification.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by stephencbh View Post
              Sinless?

              I think Yeshua became more and more perfect. Perhaps becoming perfect at his glorification.


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              Jesus was born perfect. He was born without sin. The same way Adam was created a perfect human being was the same way Jesus was born as a perfect human being without blemish nor Adamic sin.

              He didn't gradually become perfect as his life was the atoning sacrifice that was used to redeem mankind from Adams sin. The penalty if i recall under the Mosaic Law for presenting a lame animal EG an animal sacrifice that had a broken leg or some injury or blemish was death. It was strictly not to be tolerated when presenting a sacrifice to Jehovah. Leviticus confirms this:

              Leviticus 1:3 “‘If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he should present a sound male animal.
              The same was true of Jesus hence the importance of the prophecy in Psalms that said not a bone of his body was broken, unlike the two sinners to the left and right of Jesus who had their legs broken to hasten their deaths.

              Psalm 34:20 He is guarding all his bones;

              Not one of them has been broken
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              This is important as it emphasises Jehovahs standard for holiness and perfection. The angel Gabriel told Mary in
              Luke 1:34 "“Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son."


              Thus from this verse its very clear that Jesus perfection and thus holiness to God was due to Gods holy spirit protecting him from the inherent sinful condition of his imperfect earthly mother Mary.
              John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence".

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              • #8
                If Jesus was a person then by definition he could not have been perfect as eve Adam was not perfect as had he been perfect he would not have sinned.
                There is a verse in psalms, can't recall the place at the moment, which states that no man is perfect who does not sin.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stephencbh View Post
                  Was every action we have a record of 100% in accordance with Love? Akin to how the creator of heaven and earth would be?

                  I'm the temple he lost his temper.
                  I'm Matthew we see him speak bluntly to his disciples, often mocking them.

                  If Yeshua was more human than God, would that give a clearer understanding of where we are now 2000 years later?


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                  Yes, everything Jesus did and said was 100% in accordance with love. He did NOT lose his temper in the temple. There is nothing in the account that says that he did. He simply firmly ousted the extortioners from the temple, calmly overturning their tables and shooing the animals away with a controlled whisking of a whip. It doesn't say anywhere that he furiously beat the animals with the whip. Why would you choose to embellish that account, making it seem like he lost his temper?

                  He never mocked his disciples, and it would help if you would specifically cite the scriptures you are referring to.

                  Yeshua was a perfect human, yet mirrored the attributes of God (without actually being God).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jason69 View Post
                    If Jesus was a person then by definition he could not have been perfect as eve Adam was not perfect as had he been perfect he would not have sinned.
                    There is a verse in psalms, can't recall the place at the moment, which states that no man is perfect who does not sin.
                    No, that is not correct.

                    God does not create faulty things. His actions are perfect (Deuteronomy 32:4) Adam and Eve were created perfect. They also had free will. They could choose whether or not they wanted to obey their Maker. They chose not to, and thus lost their perfection and their ability to live forever.

                    Please find your verses before you quote them. Your quotation doesn't make much sense.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                      Yes, everything Jesus did and said was 100% in accordance with love. He did NOT lose his temper in the temple. There is nothing in the account that says that he did. He simply firmly ousted the extortioners from the temple, calmly overturning their tables
                      LOL


                      and shooing the animals away with a controlled whisking of a whip. It doesn't say anywhere that he furiously beat the animals with the whip. Why would you choose to embellish that account, making it seem like he lost his temper?

                      He never mocked his disciples, and it would help if you would specifically cite the scriptures you are referring to.

                      Yeshua was a perfect human, yet mirrored the attributes of God (without actually being God).
                      Matthew has Yeshua speaking quite harshly, calling them fools.




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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jason69 View Post
                        If Jesus was a person then by definition he could not have been perfect as eve Adam was not perfect as had he been perfect he would not have sinned.
                        There is a verse in psalms, can't recall the place at the moment, which states that no man is perfect who does not sin.
                        Imperfection and sin are synonymous in the Bible. One is not possible without the other. Prior to Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge they had committed no sin. Thus if they had commited no sin were they perfect or imperfect?
                        John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence".

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                        • #13
                          Jesus never lost his temper. However it is clear he was rightly angry. And your problem with being blunt? Is is necessary to sugar coat the truth? He spoke the truth in love and rightly corrected his disciples. Truth sets people free. Man's added sugar coating does not.
                          Last edited by oatmeal; May 1st, 2017, 05:14 AM.
                          "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                          "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                          Pro scripture = Protestant

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                          • #14
                            Shalom.

                            Yeshua observed and taught Torah.

                            See

                            Matthew 5:17-20

                            Shalom.

                            Jacob

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stephencbh View Post
                              Was Yeshua Perfect?
                              He was a man, so yes.
                              Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                              Titus 1

                              For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                              Ephesians 5

                              11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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