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    TRINITY EVIDENCE FALSE
    Everything that the trinitarians claims makes Jesus God. Are the same things we can do also. And it doesnt make us God. Trinitarians have tried to form a belief on circumstantial verses, not factual verses. And they base their belief on principles that are not even in the Word of God. A Believer bases all their beliefs on what is written, not on what is not written.

    Matt 20:22-23
    22 But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to Him, "We are able."
    23 So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father."

    Matt 23:23-24
    23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
    24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
    (NKJ)


    Circumstantial Verses
    Circumstantial verses are verses that can be used either way. As in this one,(My Lord and my God) The word and can be used to separate Lord and God, it can also be used to bring them together as one. Now as John was addressing Jesus at this point John knew and believed that God was also in Jesus. So in his attempt to address them both he was addressing "My Lord Jesus Christ, and also my God the Father that dwells in You.

    John 20:28
    28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
    (NKJ)
    Factual Verses
    In the factual verses, they can only be taken one way, with no variations. So the carnal mind has to pervert the factual verses in order to believe the circumstantial verses. The factual verses explain the circumstantial verses. As in this one, "One God the Father". The Father is the one God. But if you read one you see there is also one Lord Jesus Christ, which explains why John said it the way he did.

    John 17:1-3

    1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
    2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
    3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

    1 Cor 8:6
    6 yet for us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
    (NKJ)


    THE DIVINITY(DEITY) OF CHRIST
    We can have the same divine nature that Jesus had. God working through us.

    Acts 17:29-30
    29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
    30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
    (NKJ)
    2 Pet 1:4
    4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    ONLY GOD CAN BE WORSHIPPED (WE CAN AND WILL BE WORSHIPPED)
    Rev 3:9
    9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-- indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

    THREE IN ONE GOD, ONE GOD IN THREE
    Everything that separates trinitarians from Christians comes from out side of the scriptures. Trintiy, deity, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
    Eph 4:6
    6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    1 Cor 8:6
    6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.


    The apostles even said. Yet for us there is one God the Father.
    Christians believe there is one God the Father.
    Trinitarians always start with questions, this is how they deceive.
    2 Tim 2:23
    23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
    (NKJ)
    THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
    WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
    IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
    John 10:30
    30 "I and My Father are one."
    (NKJ)
    John 17:22
    22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
    I Jn 5:7-8
    7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
    8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
    1 Cor 12:12-14
    12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
    13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
    14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
    1 Cor 10:16-17
    16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
    17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
    1 Cor 3:7-11
    7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
    8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
    9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
    10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
    11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    Rom 12:5
    5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
    John 17:20-23
    20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
    21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
    22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
    23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
    John 10:29-30
    29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
    30 "I and My Father are one."
    Eph 4:4-6
    4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    1 Cor 6:17
    17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
    Matt 10:32-33
    32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
    33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
    1 Cor 11:1
    1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
    2 Cor 10:4-5
    4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
    5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
    1 Cor 11:3
    3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
    Rom 16:25-27
    25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
    26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
    27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
    1 Cor 1:10
    10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    Rom 12:16
    16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
    Phil 3:16
    16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
    2 Cor 4:13-14
    13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
    14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
    (NKJ)
    xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
    Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.

  • #2
    what is this - the 57th time you've tried this silly crap?


    and how many times have you been banned for it?

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    • #3
      THE I AM DELUSION
      John 7:39-43
      39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
      40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
      41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
      42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
      43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
      John 7:51-52
      51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
      52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
      John 8:1-2
      1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
      2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
      John 8:12
      12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
      John 8:16-18
      16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
      17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
      18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
      John 8:21
      21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
      John 8:23-24
      23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
      24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
      John 8:28-29
      28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
      29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
      John 8:58-59
      58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
      59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
      (KJV)
      xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
      verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.

      Only People Who Worship In The Flesh Believe Jesus Is God
      On Ro 9
      Paul is talking about having great sorrow and grief over those who worship in the flesh.According to the flesh he could even wish he were cut off from Christ. Because those who worship in the flesh believe that Christ came and that Christ is the eternally blessed God.But as Paul says they are not all Israel who are from Israel nor are they children of Abraham seed. Those who worship in the flesh and believe this are not children of God.
      Rom 9:1-8
      1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
      2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
      3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
      4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
      5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
      6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
      7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
      8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
      Luke 16:15
      15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

      I Jn 4:14-15
      14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
      15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
      (NKJ)



      xxx The only trinity in the Word of God is the dragon, devil,satan.

      Rev 12:9
      9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
      (NKJ)


      >>>
      Because the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He will never be able to teach the trinity doctrine.

      John 14:26
      26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
      (NKJ)

      John 16:13-14
      13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
      14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
      (NKJ)

      xxxThe devil is a deity. This is the definition of the devil and satan in strongs dictionary.

      4567 Satanas (sat-an-as');

      of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

      KJV-- Satan.

      1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

      neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

      KJV-- devil, god.

      xxx The only three in one trinity in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

      2 Cor 11:14-15
      14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
      15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
      (NKJ)

      II Th 2:4
      4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
      (NKJ)

      Rev 20:2
      2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
      (NKJ)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
        what is this - the 57th time you've tried this silly crap?


        and how many times have you been banned for it?
        I said
        lolol That bitter envy will destroy you one day. Its obvious you don't care for the Word of God.

        Heb 12:15
        15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
        (NKJ)

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        • #5
          Squeaky, is Jesus eternal or was He a creation of the Father?
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
            ... they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ.
            well, that's pretty imaginative

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            • #7
              It is silly Squeaky. The Trinity is fact an backed up by scripture. Sorry, you can't disprove it

              John 1:1 New International Version (NIV)

              The Word Became Flesh
              1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

              John 1:14 New International Version (NIV)

              14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

              John 1:18 New International Version (NIV)

              18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

              Matthew 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)

              16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

              Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)

              19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

              1 John 1:1-2 New International Version (NIV)

              The Incarnation of the Word of Life
              1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
              He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

              Jim Elliot

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              • #8
                Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                Squeaky, is Jesus eternal or was He a creation of the Father?
                I said
                It says He was of the Father.

                Col 1:15
                15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
                (NKJ)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  well, that's pretty imaginative
                  I'd say so...don't think I have ever heard that excuse before
                  The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
                    I said
                    It says He was of the Father.

                    Col 1:15
                    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
                    (NKJ)
                    So, no He wasn't created or No He isn't eternal
                    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                      I'd say so...don't think I have ever heard that excuse before


                      Next he'll be claiming that Jesus really meant to say "I am a jelly doughnut"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                        It is silly Squeaky. The Trinity is fact an backed up by scripture. Sorry, you can't disprove it

                        John 1:1 New International Version (NIV)

                        The Word Became Flesh
                        1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

                        John 1:14 New International Version (NIV)

                        The Incarnation of the Word of Life
                        1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
                        I said
                        It has never been fact, only imagination.

                        The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.

                        Tyndale 1534:
                        Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

                        Bishops 1568:
                        Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

                        Geneva 1587:
                        Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

                        And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
                        Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."

                        Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.

                        John 1:17-18
                        17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
                        18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
                        (NKJ)

                        John 12:48-50
                        48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
                        49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
                        50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
                        (NKJ)

                        Mark 13:23
                        23 "But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
                        (NKJ)


                        14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

                        John 1:18 New International Version (NIV)

                        18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

                        Matthew 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)

                        16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

                        Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)

                        19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

                        1 John 1:1-2 New International Version (NIV)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                          So, no He wasn't created or No He isn't eternal
                          I said
                          We are all eternal. Either eternal in heaven or eternal in hell.

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                          • #14
                            You put your reply within my post. Why? Confusion and camouflage.
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
                              I said
                              We are all eternal. Either eternal in heaven or eternal in hell.
                              ...

                              But that didn't answer the question....Let mme ask it this way....Did God the Father CREATE Jesus?
                              The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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