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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    One can be alive and not saved.

    We call people in this "state" unbelievers.

    Do you disagree with that? If so, why?

    One can also be (but not at the same time as the above) alive and saved.

    We call people in this state believers.

    Do you disagree, if so why?
    I said
    Everyone was an unbeliever at one time. And no one can be a believer unless God calls them to it. And no one knows who God is going to call tomorrow.

    [Jhn 6:44, 65
    [44] "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ...
    [65] And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Why isnt it. If your alive you still have hope.
    One can be alive and not saved.

    We call people in this "state" unbelievers.

    Do you disagree with that? If so, why?

    One can also be (but not at the same time as the above) alive and saved.

    We call people in this state believers.

    Do you disagree, if so why?

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
    [MENTION=16942]JudgeRightly[/MENTION]

    Talking to Squeaky is like talking to a brick wall.... except the brick wall makes more sense.
    I said
    lol Do you realize that goes both ways.

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Sure, but the state of being "alive" is not inherently the state of being "saved". Or do you think that a person can only have one state of being at a time?
    I said
    Why isnt it. If your alive you still have hope.

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  • Right Divider
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    [MENTION=16942]JudgeRightly[/MENTION]

    Talking to Squeaky is like talking to a brick wall.... except the brick wall makes more sense.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    He said
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.

    I said
    Everyone that is alive is in a state of being.
    Sure, but the state of being "alive" is not inherently the state of being "saved". Or do you think that a person can only have one state of being at a time?

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    No, you asserted:



    Why is that?

    Why do you assert that?
    I said
    He said
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.

    I said
    Everyone that is alive is in a state of being.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Your asking the wrong person. I didnt give that definition you should ask him.

    He said
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.
    No, you asserted:

    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Well according to your definition everyone on earth has salvation.
    Why is that?

    Why do you assert that?

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You didn't answer my question.

    Why, according to the definition provided above, does everyone have salvation?
    I said
    Your asking the wrong person. I didnt give that definition you should ask him.

    He said
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    Well according to your definition everyone on earth has salvation.
    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Why?
    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    If your alive your saved. To give you a chance to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Now you won't have the fear and trembling until you try to obey the new testament.
    You didn't answer my question.

    Why, according to the definition provided above, does everyone have salvation?

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Why?



    "I am saved."

    "Am" is a [YELLOW]'being'[YELLOW] verb.
    I said
    If your alive your saved. To give you a chance to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Now you won't have the fear and trembling until you try to obey the new testament.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Well according to your definition everyone on earth has salvation.
    Why?

    Where did you ever come up with "state of being?
    "I am saved."

    "Am" is a [YELLOW]'being'[YELLOW] verb.

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  • Squeaky
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    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.
    I said
    Well according to your definition everyone on earth has salvation. Where did you ever come up with "state of being?

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  • Bright Raven
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    Two words that mean essentially the same thing. Salvation is a state of being. Being saved is to have that state of being.

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  • Squeaky
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    You should know the rules for believing scripture. Not to think beyond what is written, and dont add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses. If you cant quote it its only an opinion of yours.

    [1Co 4:6
    [6] Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

    [Rev 22:18–19
    [18] For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
    [19] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

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