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  • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    As far as I can tell you are a copy and paste artist that let's others do your thinking for you.
    You are a parrot as well unless you can prove all you're thoughts are original. The truth is revealed within Galatians 1:12 and isn't learned, religion cleans the outside of the cup and patronizes this world instead of seeking the kingdom within Luke 17:20-21.
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    • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
      You are a parrot as well unless you can prove all you're thoughts are original. The truth is revealed within Galatians 1:12 and isn't learned, religion cleans the outside of the cup and patronizes this world instead of seeking the kingdom within Luke 17:20-21.

      Well good. Your own words for a change. That's a start.

      As it concerns Gal 1:12; taken in context it refers to Paul referring to the source of his understanding. Now, unless your intent is to claim you talked to Jesus too you might want to cool your jets a little. Actually, you probably should either way.

      As it concerns Luke 17 I would not misconstrue what Jesus said to mean the source of the kingdom to be you ... it is where it manifests but is not it's point of origin.
      Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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      • Tootles.....

        Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
        You can “think” what you want. Blavatsky herself has admitted her sources in her memoirs. I know this is terribly inconvenient for those inclined to consume her earlier offerings as holy writ but, as the noted philosopher Bill Parcells once offered, “It is what it is.” You here admit that your intellect is the final arbiter of what is true. One would hope the limitations of that presumption to be self evident. When you begin to apply the effort to studying the life of Blavatsky and her philosophy that you have to discrediting the Christian faith you'll find all this soon enough. I, for one, will not hold my breath in anticipation of this glorious event.
        I'll have to research that,....but as I said, at least the 3 fundamental propositions still hold, and the basic philosophical precepts are universal in scope and nature. The Perennial Wisdom is timeless and reveals itself in the movements of Nature...and the soul. Whether who borrows or expands upon former teachers/teachings, each is a different dispensation thereof.


        You can redefine the term “theosophy” as many times as is necessary to suit your purpose but, at the end of the day, that's Blavatsky's baby.
        I do hold to my liberal definition of 'theosophy' for what it means, without necessarily using a capital "T" (Theosophy) in denoting Blavatsky's system,....since it just means 'wisdom of God/gods', or 'divine wisdom'. No pickle there. Apples or oranges? As someone interested in Blavatsky's teaching, one can study that and see how the Thesophical Society diverted from some aspects of her original teaching, the rest is history.


        In this
        you remind me of most of my Christian brethren … picking and choosing what they like of the Bible as if it were some sort of spiritual buffet whilst distancing themselves from that which they see as embarrassing, inexplicable or distasteful.
        Nah, its just common sense and rationality to continue to research/test whatever 'belief-system' you hold to,....life is an ongoing procession, an evolution, a continuation of learning. Of course there are cherry-pickers in every orchard


        Although I would agree that wisdom is universal I fear we disagree as to it's source.
        Uh...there is One Universal Source for All That is,...and that is The ALL, or The ONE itself. Call it 'Deity' or 'God',...such is the origin of all life, being, consciousness. Wisdom comes from no other source. There is no other.


        Again, you hold the Bible to a standard you are unwilling to apply to your chosen founts of knowledge. At a certain point you are going to have to address this if you continue to insist on claiming any sort of intellectual honesty. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
        The standard of considering all postulates, suppositions, propositions holds for all, so not sure where I'm not applying that to any of the sundry materials I've explored, since their meaning or value will be apparent or less so. Intellectual honesty? Well,....its present, and engaging from moment to moment, with curious dips and dives, and sometimes modifications Those who question the historicity of Jesus are engaging whatever historical facts exist in the records, and seeing the possible embellishments thereof, since Christianity grew into its own entity more or less, having many offsprings.
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        • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
          Well good. Your own words for a change. That's a start.

          As it concerns Gal 1:12; taken in context it refers to Paul referring to the source of his understanding. Now, unless your intent is to claim you talked to Jesus too you might want to cool your jets a little. Actually, you probably should either way.

          As it concerns Luke 17 I would not misconstrue what Jesus said to mean the source of the kingdom to be you ... it is where it manifests but is not it's point of origin.
          Jesus is only a symbol of the inner man, which is where the kingdom is located along with the temple, yet you would wrongly presume Jesus was an actual carnal man Matt 11:11, instead of a type,shadow,similitude etc......of the new birth that awakens the Divine spark in us which Galatians 4:20-28 teaches about the two Fathers, Mothers, Siblings, one carnal the other spiritual within man not historic tales of actual people used as an allegory, any exoteric christ is a false god which you be lie eve in. Cloud watching through traditional colored glasses, time to wake up Dorthy.
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          • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
            Well good. Your own words for a change. That's a start.

            As it concerns Gal 1:12; taken in context it refers to Paul referring to the source of his understanding. Now, unless your intent is to claim you talked to Jesus too you might want to cool your jets a little. Actually, you probably should either way.

            As it concerns Luke 17 I would not misconstrue what Jesus said to mean the source of the kingdom to be you ... it is where it manifests but is not it's point of origin.
            You won't receive it but this is the real good news for all people not some westernized false Roman mind program that excludes and retards the Divine nature just like you're traditional johnny come lately message does! plagiarized from past cultures who grasps the intent of the stories which referred to the eternal now with no time stamp but you will keep killing the message 2Cor 3:6..
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            • the nuts n bolts of IT...........

              Originally posted by Zeke View Post
              You are a parrot as well unless you can prove all you're thoughts are original.
              And lets look to see in Jesus teachings what is 'original', and not universal themes, ideas and concepts already existing from the great pool of universal wisdom mirrored in various religious traditions from time immemorial. Using the 'original' card holds no water, since only 'God' the is Original MIND from which all thoughts, ideas, 'logos', 'laws', 'principles' emerge and inhere. 'God' is the Only MIND that IS, the One universal LIGHT, the infinite Source and origin of all, the First Source and CENTER. - the fact is that all individual minds are but 'mirrors' for Infinite MIND,....so none of these minds reflecting 'God' is original! - they are but mirrors, rays of the One Light. Word!


              The truth is revealed within Galatians 1:12 and isn't learned, religion cleans the outside of the cup and patronizes this world instead of seeking the kingdom within Luke 17:20-21.
              Yep, so says Paul the gnostic, whose 'gospel' is essentially a 'mystery religion', which has 'Christ' as the spiritualized center-piece (the divine spirit that incarnates, is buried, resurrects and ascends back to heaven), and we as living vessels who contain the 'Christ' in us are but extensions of the same soul essence being BORN into the word of matter. - it just so happens that the gospels historicizes this making Jesus more 'human', a real human being? (but later compound this character with both 100% divinity and humanity ) - anyways, since the kingdom of God is within it is also without and all-encompassing as long as Spirit has preeminence as omnipresent. Still the Spirit gives life, words are but symbols, carriers, pointers, conceptual helps along the way, that assist our understanding and communication of the essential ideas and meanings being portrayed. This is all that is happening....no matter if you slap a 'historical' or 'mythical' sticker on a posterboard of Jesus. All you still have is what the story of Jesus COMMUNICATES, its meaning and value....and how this has anything to do with your own transformation.


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              • Originally posted by freelight View Post
                And lets look to see in Jesus teachings what is 'original', and not universal themes, ideas and concepts already existing from the great pool of universal wisdom mirrored in various religious traditions from time immemorial. Using the 'original' card holds no water, since only 'God' the is Original MIND from which all thoughts, ideas, 'logos', 'laws', 'principles' emerge and inhere. 'God' is the Only MIND that IS, the One universal LIGHT, the infinite Source and origin of all, the First Source and CENTER. - the fact is that all individual minds are but 'mirrors' for Infinite MIND,....so none of these minds reflecting 'God' is original! - they are but mirrors, rays of the One Light. Word!




                Yep, so says Paul the gnostic, whose 'gospel' is essentially a 'mystery religion', which has 'Christ' as the spiritualized center-piece (the divine spirit that incarnates, is buried, resurrects and ascends back to heaven), and we as living vessels who contain the 'Christ' in us are but extensions of the same soul essence being BORN into the word of matter. - it just so happens that the gospels historicizes this making Jesus more 'human', a real human being? (but later compound this character with both 100% divinity and humanity ) - anyways, since the kingdom of God is within it is also without and all-encompassing as long as Spirit has preeminence as omnipresent. Still the Spirit gives life, words are but symbols, carriers, pointers, conceptual helps along the way, that assist our understanding and communication of the essential ideas and meanings being portrayed. This is all that is happening....no matter if you slap a 'historical' or 'mythical' sticker on a posterboard of Jesus. All you still have is what the story of Jesus COMMUNICATES, its meaning and value....and how this has anything to do with your own transformation.
                Yea they can't except that the teachings existed before the carnal Christ theory materialized, and claimed copy rights to those ancient allegorical stories that morphed with the cultural changes through the ages.
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                • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                  Yea they can't except that the teachings existed before the carnal Christ theory materialized, and claimed copy rights to those ancient allegorical stories that morphed with the cultural changes through the ages.
                  "As in Adam all die, even so in 'Christ' shall all be made alive"


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                  • You are correct, like colors to an artist Jesus used many existing truths and symbolism in his enlargement of the revelation of the Father.

                    When the Israelites were once again in bondage in Babylon, the Hebrew scripture writers adopted the preexisting lore of Adam and Eve, a very prominent and common Mesipotamian story. Unable to factually trace their blood lines to Adam, they used the local flood legand of Noah to drown the whole world in order to fill the gap.

                    One of the underlying reasons for the hatred between the Jews and their Semitic cousins is because the other cultures of Mesipotamia know about the history revisions.

                    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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                    • Who left the door open on the Urantia thread? If you folks just want to back slap each other and ignore the offerings of others you might as well slither back there.
                      Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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                      • Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
                        Who left the door open on the Urantia thread? If you folks just want to back slap each other and ignore the offerings of others you might as well slither back there.
                        Killer has spoken 2Cor 3:6, where is all that substance and offerings you speak of? You would do well to try and grasp Luke 15:11-24 and the fact that no Divine seed starts from the womb of flesh and blood Galatians 4:1-7, I know made of a woman but flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom Galatians 4:29 the state of John also comes into play as well Matt 11:11 under the elements of this state/level, John was still looking outside in this observable kingdom instead of seeking inside Luke 17:20-21, take off those traditional veiled glasses that miss the Psalm 78:2 dark sayings/pearls hidden in the/you're field because you are walking based on the letter Galatians 5:17, via Romans seven! was Paul speaking of two people or what was happening inside his own kingdom Galatians 4:24.
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                        • Luke 9:60.
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                          • It is neurotic to deny Christ's existence and in the next breath purport to follow Him
                            My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                            Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                            Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                            Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                            No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                            Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                            ? Yep

                            Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                            ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                            Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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