pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
- Thread starter meshak
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LOL.....you think that by committing a crime, you can stop a crime.
Again, show us a passage from Jesus and/or Paul that tells us to kill in order to prevent a crime?
Killing murderers with your own hands?
God says vengeance is Mine.
You are not God.
Anyway, why do you intervene the world's affair?
Jesus says His followers are not of the world.
You disregard too many of His word.
You are correct meshak.
Notice how angry these people get when they are asked to back their positions with scripture from Jesus and/or Paul to support their killings and wars?
Yes, they are panicked alright.
Lon
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Convenient for you I guess. :nono: Not for me.
I still have an O.T. in my Bible. I admit to having a couple of New Testaments alone. Again, this is convenient for you, not for me.
As a Covenant Theologian, I'm particularly interested in applicable universal truths and directives. I don't believe God changed His character an iota from the Old to the New.
Are you New Covenant or Dispensational? Our respective theologies won't have us outside of each other's understanding of the Body (Meshak disagrees with you on that point), but it will have us looking to application of our faith differently.
Likewise, a Chaplain doesn't engage with his platoon. He specifically has a different job and duty.
It made it an awkward question for one who is not entirely a pacifist. I assume, as a father, my role is 1 Corinthians 7:28 to be concerned with specific duties and issues involved with that duty. I don't have the convenience of carrying the single-man's duties. We are two different guys with two 'different' God-given duties, imho and as far as I understand 1 Corinthians 7. -Lon
drbrumley
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What crime am I committing by stopping the murder of children?
Again, Do you support stopping children from being killed? Yes or No?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
What if it's a 6 year old male Shiite Muslim terrorist with a bomb on his back running into a Jewish Synagogue on Yom Kippur to blow up all the Jews in the building?
If you kill this 6 year old boy before he enters the Synagogue is it still murder?
Once again, please show scripture from the New Testament that supports this opinion. Cause, there is verse, after verse in the NT that says the opposite.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
then the scumbag mooslim who put him up to it is guilty of murder and should be executed
Lon
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If conversation is going to degenerate to accusatory, I'm going to have to bow out. Posturing over something like this only produces an 'us/them' banter-fest imho.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
there's verse after verse in the NT that say that followers of Christ should allow children to be murdered?
which NT is that?
the retard version?
The same crime the people who are murdering the children are committing.
Yes...BUT...with love, not by killing.
Convenient for you I guess. :nono: Not for me.
I still have an O.T. in my Bible. I admit to having a couple of New Testaments alone. Again, this is convenient for you, not for me.
As a Covenant Theologian, I'm particularly interested in applicable universal truths and directives. I don't believe God changed His character an iota from the Old to the New.
Are you New Covenant or Dispensational? Our respective theologies won't have us outside of each other's understanding of the Body (Meshak disagrees with you on that point), but it will have us looking to application of our faith differently.
Likewise, a Chaplain doesn't engage with his platoon. He specifically has a different job and duty.
It made it an awkward question for one who is not entirely a pacifist. I assume, as a father, my role is 1 Corinthians 7:28 to be concerned with specific duties and issues involved with that duty. I don't have the convenience of carrying the single-man's duties. We are two different guys with two 'different' God-given duties, imho and as far as I understand 1 Corinthians 7. -Lon
wow talk about elusive discourse.
Your convenient reasoning will not change the fact that true Christians are pacifists.
drbrumley
Well-known member
That's a different question though isn't it? Funny you guys use an extreme case and pass it off as normalcy...
And what's the deal with Muslims....you hate them or what?
Are we allowed to defend ourselves?
Convenient for you I guess. :nono: Not for me.
Sorry, just don't see any of Jesus' followers advocating killing.
Well....I believe there were numerous changes from the OC to the NC. Besides dietary, the priesthood, etc., NC believers are told by Jesus and Paul to no longer hate your enemies, but to love your enemies.
That's correct, God didn't change, but the covenants changes drastically. The writer of Hebrews, along with Jeremiah, makes it crystal clear that the OC was obsolete, and was replaced with a greater covenant.
I despise all things Dispensational.
Well...I don't see any teachings from Jesus or Paul (or anyone else) that tell anyone in the Body to kill.