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  • Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
    who?
    the pope
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
      the pope
      pope ??? there is NO such thing as Apostolic succession, the Roman Catholic Church has simply invented this false doctrine, to establish it's legitimacy..

      The apostolic office was not a permanent office, but a temporary office.*
      Apostles were required to have seen the risen Christ, so that he could preach a resurrection of which he had himself been an eyewitness (1 Corinthians 9:1).*
      He had to be called and commissioned by the risen Lord directly (John 20:21; Acts 26:15-18), which also meant that he received the gospel from Christ Himself (Galatians 1:11-12).

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      • Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
        pope ??? there is NO such thing as Apostolic succession, the Roman Catholic Church has simply invented this false doctrine, to establish it's legitimacy..
        so why are you searching for what the pope said over seven hundred years ago? -
        today francis is our pope -
        pay attention to what he says -
        just like serpentdove
        a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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        • Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
          Once again in debating a Catholic man on the sufficiency of God's Word in the believers life...
          Incorrect. Rather, we hold that the personal interpretations of Protestant sectarians like yourself are insufficient in the believer's life. Big difference there. Unless your personal interpretations of the Bible are somehow inspired and infallible...? Didn't think so.

          ...all we get is a attack on the sufficiency of God's Word...
          You're wrong (see just above).
          "The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)

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          • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
            so why are you searching for what the pope said over seven hundred years ago? -
            today francis is our pope -
            pay attention to what he says -
            just like serpentdove
            Does it seem to you that those that believe in Apostolic secession up until today do not usually know anything about what the Apostles taught when it comes to the Early Church Fathers? Especially if they themselves claim to be Apostles.
            Last edited by TulipBee; August 2nd, 2016, 07:19 PM.

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            • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
              when chrysostom was exiled from constantinople, he appealed to rome
              How are we suppose to believe the Roman religion invented by the reprobates of Rome is the inerrant church. They can't even translate verses correctly. For instance; they use these words, "Hail Mary full of grace." Those aren't even the correctly translated words. Yet this institution is suppose to be infallible.

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              • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                the devil would say that
                Christians know where they will spend eternity ( heaven ) R.C'S. have no clue.
                Heb 4:2
                For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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                • Originally posted by dodge View Post
                  Christians know where they will spend eternity ( heaven ) R.C'S. have no clue.
                  Well, they forgot. The RCC has historically called all protestants heretics and murdered them. And to date, they've not made any recantations or official apologies for this. I suggest doing some research on the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, and try to find a point in history where the RCC has expressed ANY repentance for this heinous and evil act.

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                  • Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
                    Well, they forgot.
                    Straw Man Fallacy. Don't bother.

                    The RCC has historically called all protestants heretics and murdered them.
                    You're either ignorant, or lying (Prov. 19:5). Which one is it?

                    And to date, they've not made any recantations or official apologies for this.
                    See just above.
                    "The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)

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                    • the church teaches:
                      -redemption
                      -repentance
                      -forgiveness
                      -grace
                      -work
                      -mercy
                      a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                      • Originally posted by Cruciform View Post
                        Straw Man Fallacy. Don't bother.


                        You're either ignorant, or lying (Prov. 19:5). Which one is it?


                        See just above.
                        you're hoping we're stupid enough to go back

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                        • Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
                          you're hoping we're stupid enough to go back
                          we are hoping you would quote someone to show who your authority is
                          a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                          • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                            what do you call your father?
                            Mostly, "Dad".

                            I expected our conversation might get hung up on that point, but the intent of my question was not dealing with particular titles, but rather titles in general. I'm after the spirit of what our Lord was saying, not specific words.

                            The fact that you truncated my question at "father" rather than quoting it in full makes me think you are highlighting "father" to avoid the spirit of the statement, though it actually serves to highlight it. Jesus wasn't talking at all about natural familial relationship. He was addressing prominence (greatness) in His Church.

                            So what do you make of the fact that our Lord said to call no one in the church by titles that place them above the Church, and not to exercise authority or dominion over the flock as Gentile leaders do over their subjects?
                            Maranatha!

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                            • Originally posted by DavidK View Post
                              Mostly, "Dad".

                              I expected our conversation might get hung up on that point,
                              well good for you -
                              I want to talk about abortion, divorce, and same sex marriage -
                              you want to talk about who we call father -
                              do you know what is important?
                              if you want to talk about who we call father, I am not interested in that
                              a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                              • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                                you don't need scripture for that if you have common sense
                                I'm going to take that to mean that you know of no scriptures that directly state nor clearly imply that the keys were intended to be passed down from one man to one man over Church history.

                                Given that scripture is the ultimate arbiter of the faith, that places the Papal succession clearly in the realm of issues of personal conscience, and we can agree to disagree on whether the there is a single mortal man in each generation responsible for leading the Church of Jesus Christ.
                                Maranatha!

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