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  • #61
    Is that the only measure you're using as a definition?
    "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

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    • #62
      The morning star................

      Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post

      ‘Church of Lucifer’ to Open in Texas

      2 Corinthians 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
      First of all, you would need to familiarize yourself with what the Church of Lucifer is all about, what a 'Luciferian' is, and WHO Lucifer is. You can start by going to their website here to get their knowledge-base/understanding.

      We had a thread on the Lucifer/Satan connection (if there even is any), and the history of such association, noting that the word 'Lucifer' is only found in the latin Vulgate translated by Jerome, since it is a latin term, meaning 'light-bearer', 'luminous one', 'day-star', 'morning star', 'son of the morning' etc. The Hebrew word in Is. 14:12 is 'helel',...the Greek Septuagint renders it 'heōsphoros'...all meaning essentially the same thing. It can be debated if this is even a 'proper name', beyond being only a 'descriptive title'.

      The term/name 'Lucifer' only later became associated with 'Satan' as a fallen angel and 'tradition' has assumed that ever since. Until then, 'Lucifer' (the word) did not have any satanic association whatsoever (unless you can prove this statement wrong), ....a few Christian Bishops were even named 'Lucifer',...and there was not an uproar over it. It just means 'light-bringer', 'morning-star', 'shining one', etc. - (also refers to 'Venus'). - we mortals are even called 'stars' when we shine with righteousness and the divine nature, for 'God' is LIGHT. If we serve 'God', we are "light-workers" (to 'coin' a common more new-age angle on this), but it still holds since if we are sharing light, love and truth, we are expressing 'God'.

      'Lucifer' then according to its true appellation and meaning is not at all 'satanic', unless you can prove emphatically there was/is a being named 'Lucifer' (thanks to Jerome for translating Is 14:12 as such in the late 4th century). In fact, as you know, Jesus is also referred to as the Bright and Morning Star. Overcomers also receive the 'morning star',...it is a reward (see the Book of Revelation). - understanding the inner/esoteric meaning of the word, is essential here.

      Would it bother you if something like this was started in your community?
      I would be cautious and interested in staying aware of its activity and judge a tree by its fruit. There are aspects of Luciferianism that are reasonable, as far as some of its principles go philosophically, but these would have to expounded upon. Citizens ought to be conscious of the various organizations that comprise their community,....it would only bother me, if there was some kind of harm or injustice that the group was perpetrating on anyone.


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      • #63
        Originally posted by freelight View Post
        First of all, you would need to familiarize yourself with what the Church of Lucifer is all about, what a 'Luciferian' is, and WHO Lucifer is. You can start by going to their website here to get their knowledge-base/understanding.
        One who worships their father, the devil is what is a luciferian is, no matter how they choose to define it.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
          Yes, my first reaction was a little too strong. In reality they won't be having mutilated animals or having sex rituals etc. They still should be monitored somehow.


          Monitored, you say. That's cute. Who'd do the monitoring? Who'd they report to? What are they looking for? What criteria would you use for "monitoring" houses of worship?




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          • #65
            Here's a Luciferian some may have forgotten, at the ground level these people don't know what lies ahead.



            33rd degree Mason Albert Pike

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            Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

            6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

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            • #66
              Perhaps you should just kill anybody who insults your god, or draws a cartoon you don't like.

              Oops. Wrong religion.

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              • #67
                The Leo Taxil Hoax exposed

                Originally posted by everready View Post
                Here's a Luciferian some may have forgotten, at the ground level these people don't know what lies ahead.



                33rd degree Mason Albert Pike

                everready
                For the record, some may remember we had a thread about Freemasonry where we covered Albert Pike's notable book "Morals and Dogma", and some of his quotes about 'Lucifer' there. Nowhere does he promote the worship of Lucifer as 'God' (as construed or understood by traditional belief about 'Lucifer' being 'Satan' or the devil), but was comparing and expounding upon the true meaning of the word 'Lucifer' as I noted in my previous post, in a philosophical sense, since his book was mainly a philosophical discourse on masonic principles as well as his own opinions, and such is claimed in the preface of his work.

                The play of duality between 'light' and 'darkness ' is a prominent theme in esoteric philosophy, - its understanding how these 'terms' are used in context, that is key. Pike's writings need to be understood in proper context. If you knew the facts which are being shared here for your benefit, you would not presume things, but be diligent to 'study for yourself'. The word 'Lucifer' has no satanic meaning whatsoever,....this was superimposed upon it later after Jeromes Latin Vulgate translation, where it was assumed that Is. 14:12 was speaking about some angelic being that fell and later became 'satan', the 'devil'. No traditional-orthodox Jewish theologian would interpret the verse as such.

                The above quote assumed to be that of Albert Pike has been exposed as a HOAX, otherwise known as the Leo Taxil Hoax,...Leo Taxil is a pseudonym for an author (Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pages) who hoodwinked the Catholic church and some of her leaders with his fantasy-tales of Lucifer being the God of Freemasonry to win their support against Freemasonry being of the devil...but at the same time sabotage their reputation. His was a two-fold attack on both Freemasonry and The Catholic Church. He later confessed to the fraud.

                Also see these links -

                Albert Pike and Lucifer - the Lie that will not die

                Leo Taxil - the tale of the Pope and the Pornographer

                The 'Lucifer Issue

                A Hoax (full articles in upper left corner)

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                Good expose of the FRAUD below:

                Freemasonry, Lucifer, & the Strange Case of Léo Taxil


                Freemasonry, Lucifer, & the Strange Case of Léo Taxil


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                • #68
                  Lucifer's name was changed to Satan when he tried to overthrow Gods kingdom, that church of Satan is just a smokescreen to keep mankind’s eyes off the larger picture.

                  http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-dece...er_Albert_Pike

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                  Last edited by everready; October 20th, 2015, 05:18 PM. Reason: forgot link
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                  • #69
                    Lucifer was never a proper name. Moreover the lies about Albert Pike have already been addressed.
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                    • #70
                      Even if we use 'Lucifer' in a positive light, since the word means "morning star"....

                      Originally posted by everready View Post

                      Lucifer's name was changed to Satan when he tried to overthrow Gods kingdom, that church of Satan is just a smokescreen to keep mankind’s eyes off the larger picture.

                      http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-dece...er_Albert_Pike

                      everready

                      Already addressed,....you cant use a hoax by Leo Taxil to prove anything, since its a fabrication. These anti-masonic websites keep spewing out the same fraud.

                      Futhermore,...'lucifer' is a word that means 'morning star', 'daystar', 'shining one', 'Venus'...If 'morphed' into a proper noun.....it can apply to anyone really, yet in Is. 14:12 its referring to the King of Babylon, likened to a fallen star. It refers to a 'MAN'....see context.

                      Also,...remember the OP is about the Church of Lucifer,...not 'satan'. 'Satan' is another entity, personality, archetype. The principles in the Church of Lucifer and cults who respect Lucifer as a 'positive light' (in principle, archetype, symbology) DO NOT worship SATAN as a personality depicted in traditional Judeo-Christian mythology (unless they specify such in their tenets).

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                      'God' is Light. Lucifer as a term meaning 'light' would derive from 'God' (there is no other source), which is why Jesus is also referred to as the 'morning star', and every child of God, has in potential the 'morning star' (light) in our hearts (the Christ within, the hope of glory).

                      You need to educate yourself on the facts presented earlier. Light is light. - there are different personalities who may 'bear' light, expressing and serving the light. The issue is the 'light' not the 'bearer' of the light....the 'bearer' is only the vessel.

                      If 'Lucifer' is used as a 'meme' (in some schools), a positive archetype for 'light' (wisdom/knowledge/illumination)...then so be it. Unfortunately the 'word' has been 'satanized' by tradition, making this word refer to a person (as a proper noun), an angel who fell from heaven and became 'satan' or 'the devil'. On biblical grounds alone, this can be refuted, as a false or unsupported 'association' or 'identification'.

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                      > Lucifer and the Craft - a good article proposition, accepting first that 'Lucifer' is not 'satan', and that 'Lucifer' if taking in its meaning in its 'positive light', is not evil or satanic,...but is symbolic of 'light/truth/knowledge'.)


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                      • #71
                        That's the chapter in Gods word listing the five i wills of Satan/ Lucifer if you will.

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                        • #72
                          so much about the devil...........

                          Originally posted by everready View Post
                          That's the chapter in Gods word listing the five i wills of Satan/ Lucifer if you will.

                          everready

                          Those 5 "I wills" are the King of Babylons sayings, who is called the 'Day star, son of the morning', a 'man' assuming to be a 'bright star' - see verse 16:

                          “Those who see you will gaze at you,
                          And consider you, saying:
                          ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
                          Who shook kingdoms,

                          Is. 14:16
                          The verse is literally speaking of the King of Babylon, the pride and vain-glory of a 'man' who exalted himself to the point of vanity and self-destruction. Using the passage as a 'double-prophetic' to also refer to the fall of an angel called 'Lucifer' is reading into the text making it apply to something or someone else. Of course anyone can 'figuratively' assume that Isaiah was ALSO taking about a fallen angel with the latin name "Lucifer" in the Hebrew text(?),...but how many orthodox Jewish theologians would endorse such a translation? Nothing in the context warrants such an allusion, - at best one can only refer to the 5 "I wills" as an example of a personality who has gone to the heights of self-pride and vanity, showing that such 'pride' will surely precede a fall.

                          The name, description or title "lucifer" is NOT in the original Hebrew. It got introduced into the text of the Latin Vulgate, as a word closest to the Hebrew 'helel' (not a proper name but a designation/'epithet') for the king of Babylon.

                          Some light on Lucifer (Theosophical article)

                          Btw, a study of the Jewish concept of Satan (note there is no 'devil' or 'Lucifer' in orthodox Jewish theology) compared to the Christian concept of 'satan' (as it identifies such a being as also being 'lucifer' and 'the devil' (an unholy trinity of sorts) is notablely different from one another. - {a side study of interest all its own}
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Granite View Post


                            Monitored, you say. That's cute. Who'd do the monitoring? Who'd they report to? What are they looking for? What criteria would you use for "monitoring" houses of worship?
                            Wasn't there a story about the lesbian mayor of Houston tracking sermons in her area for anti-gay rhetoric? The Christian Right got their knickers in a bunch over that, and rightfully so.

                            In similar manner, we should allow whoever else their religious liberty, unless some point of civil law is being violated.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post
                              my verse does apply, the part in red about satan, read the op. You added the highlighted part to my quote, i didnt put that there. You completely missed MY point.

                              From the op article:



                              Then what i wrote:



                              I was emphasizing the counterfeit in red, don't add yellow highlights to posts of mine that i didnt put there.

                              I was only trying to show you that this church is not claiming to be a Christian church.
                              Your verse speaks of it looking like a Christ sponsored church. I added the hi light to show you a point friend. I can not and would not try to change your original post. I am on your side in this one, but the verse is speaking of "Christian" churches that are not really Christian.
                              Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

                              Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

                              Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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                              • #75
                                Does anyone else here realize this publicity stunt's having the exact desired effect?




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