The True Sabbath

[Pipiripi]

SUNDAY CHURCHES ARE MISSING THIS KEY POINT OF FAITH REGARDING THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH - THE SIGN OF FAITH IN GOD'S COMPLETE AND PERFECT SANCTIFICATION

I have so many discussions concerning the 7th day Sabbath with Sunday keeping (or no day keeping) Christians. And it always ends up in a discussion about the law, with them stating ... 'we are no longer under the law, you are trying to be saved by works." And they completely miss the key point of FAITH regarding the seventh day Sabbath. So what is this key point they miss? Let's take a look.
Genesis 2:1-3

Just stop and think about this for a moment. The only place we get 7 day weekly cycle from is the creation account in the Bible. So your Creator; your God, set up the 7 day weekly cycle and did something with the 7th day. He "blessed and sanctified it." He made the 7th day a HOLY day. So your God is telling you ... "I have made the 7th day of the week HOLY." Now if God told you that face to face, what would you think? Would you say, "nah, that doesn't matter"? Or would you say, "Ok Lord, you have made it holy so I will treat it as Holy"? Well, your Creator and God HAS told you just that through His Word.

Just take in for a moment. Your creator and your God has told you that He has made one specific day of the week HOLY TIME. And who is your creator? Is it not Jesus Christ, the Son of God? Is He not the one who set aside the 7th day to be holy time? Remember what Jesus said?

Mark 2:27-28

This verse is very interesting and yet so many Christians miss the beauty and truth of these words of Christ. For some strange reason, Christians use this against Sabbath keeping, just because Jesus said that man wasn't made for the Sabbath. Yes, that's right! Man was NOT made for the Sabbath - the Sabbath was made FOR man. So just take that in for a moment. The Lord MADE the Sabbath FOR YOU! He made a specific day - the 7th day - as a holy day in which you can receive a blessing. So are you now going to turn around and say ... "thanks Lord, but I don't need or want your gift."? If so, you are going to miss out on a great blessing - one that may even cost you life itself!

Please understand this. What attribute does God have? He is HOLY right? (Isaiah 6:3). And what makes anything else holy? It is the presence of our holy God (Exodus 3:5). It was only the presence of God that made the ground where Moses stood holy. So what do you think makes the 7th day Sabbath holy? It is the very sanctifying presence of God! Yes, God sends His Spirit and angels to help and guide us other days too. But no other day has the special sanctifying presence of God like the 7th day of the week. Which is why Jesus said that He is also "Lord of the Sabbath." The other six days were merely the days that the Lord created all things on - work days. But the 7th day is a day all by itself, in that it was set apart for holy use and fellowship with the Lord. Again, which is why Jesus never said He was Lord of any other day, but the Sabbath!

So God sanctifies the 7th day of the week with His presence. What else does God want to sanctify? YOU and I. But how can God sanctify us fully when we refuse to meet with Him on the specific day He made holy for that sanctification work to be complete?

If a doctor sets a day for you to go to him, so he can fix your broken leg, but you decide to choose your own day, is the doctor going to be there to fix your leg? No! In the same way, God has set a specific day for us to meet Him, so He can bless us with His Holy sanctifying presence and heal us.

Why do you think so many churches and Christians are failing in their walk and still struggling in sin? Because they have rejected the very day in which God wants to especially bless, heal and sanctify us. Even God Himself was 'refreshed' by the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 31:17). So don't you think we will especially be refreshed by keeping that day holy for God? Oh.. If we would only seek the blessing of God more thoroughly, we would be healed!

But why do many 'Saturday keepers' continue to struggle in sin and weakness? Because they too do not understand what the Sabbath is about, which is why I call them 'Saturday keepers.' They are not Sabbath keepers, they merely keep Saturday because they think they have to! It is not done out of faith or a proper understanding of what the Sabbath is about. Therefore they neither receive the full sanctifying presence of God in their lives.

Isaiah 58:13-14

Now how do we know that the 7th day of creation is actually the Sabbath DAY? Some people say that the seventh day of creation was not the weekly Sabbath. But God confirmed this in the 4th commandment, look:

Exodus 20:8-11

Do you see? God is referring to creation week in the 4th commandment. Do you see that God is calling the seventh day of creation - "the SABBATH DAY"? God is pointing us back to creation week and is confirming that the seventh day of creation, the day He blessed and sanctified IS THE SABBATH DAY!

Now please understand this.
How many Jews were there at creation? NONE! And what sin was there at creation? NONE! Do you understand what this means? It means exactly what Jesus told us .. "the Sabbath was MADE FOR MAN." It wasn't made for the Jews and it wasn't given after sin. Read the 4th commandment again. God said we are to keep the Sabbath day because of His creative work! LOOK - read it again:

Exodus 20:8-11

Do you see it? The 7th day Sabbath was given, not because of the Jews or sin, or because God simply added it to His law - But because God is our Creator and He created this world in 6 days and made the 7th day HOLY for us to acknowledge Him as our Creator and spend the day with Him to receive that sanctifying blessing from it. It was given to ALL mankind for ALL eternity!

Isaiah 66:22-23

This is the key point regarding the 7th day Sabbath - There doesn't even need to be any discussion about keeping the Sabbath because of the law, as God instituted the 7th day Sabbath and set that day apart from all other days at creation BEFORE sin even came into this world. Showing the Sabbath was made for ALL mankind for ALL eternity. And we keep it BY FAITH, not just because it is part of the ten commandments, but because we acknowledge God as our Creator and Redeemer who sanctifies. The Sabbath is a sign to show who truly loves the Lord and have FAITH in Him to make us complete and perfect in Him, just as creation was complete and perfect in the beginning before sin.

Exodus 31:13

Keeping the seventh day Sabbath is a sign that we are seeking, BY FAITH, the Lord to sanctify us. Do you see? It is a FAITH issue! The Sabbath is a sign of God's perfect creation and it is also a sign of His perfect Re-creation - sanctification - in our lives.

Some Christians reject this, saying "Jesus IS our Sabbath rest, so we don't need to keep any day." Sorry, but that is NOT 'resting in Christ.' You cannot rest in Christ and at the same time ignore His holy day which He set aside at creation FOR US. That is not faith and it is not resting in Christ. That is following your own way.

What the Sunday churches are not realizing is that Adam and Eve also rested in Christ before they sinned, for He clothed them in righteousness and if they remained IN HIM ​​​​​​, they would have never sinned and would have lived forever. And yet the Sabbath day was still given to Adam and Eve and ALL their descendants BEFORE sin came into the world. Sadly, they didn't remain IN Christ and they fell into sin and disobedience. But sin NEVER changed the fact that we rest in Christ and live in Him. And if Christ gave the Sabbath to Adam and Eve BEFORE they sinned, then how much more do we need it now, when the world is DROWNING in sin?

By keeping the 7th day Sabbath as the Lord's holy day, we are acknowledging that the Lord is our God and we are placing our complete faith in Him as the one who sanctifies us. And remember what we said further above about the special sanctifying presence of God upon the Sabbath day? But if we reject the 7th day Sabbath and keep a tradition of man (Sunday), or no day at all, then we are showing that our faith our faith is NOT in the Lord, but in man instead. And thus we CANNOT receive sanctification, and neither justification, as we can only be justified through FAITH in God's Word!

Do you understand that? We are saved BY FAITH - which includes FAITH in God's Word! - "The seventh day Sabbath is my holy day " (Isaiah 58:13) ..."it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13)

Let me quickly clear up another point about the popular [false] statement ... "the Sabbath was for the Jews only." Do you know what happens to us when we accept Christ as Lord and Saviour? 'We become JEWS! (Ephesians 2:19, 3:6, Romans 11:17)

Isaiah 56:4-7

God's promise and blessing was for EVERYONE who would take hold of Him, not just the Jews. So will YOU take hold of God by faith and trust in Him, rather than trusting in man and his traditions?

HOW DO WE KNOW THE 7TH DAY TODAY IS THE SAME AS IN THE BIBLE TIMES?

This is a common question and one that the Sunday keeping Christians use as an excuse to not keep the 7th day today (our Saturday). But we have plenty enough evidence to know that the 7th day today, which we call 'Saturday', is the same 7th day as back in Bible times, and is the true Sabbath day the Lord instituted at creation.

Please note: Even though our calendars have changed and dates altered, the weekly 7 day cicle has never changed.

- The Lord preserved the Sabbath in the various world's languages - in over 100 languages the original meaning of 'sabbath' is preserved in the names for the day that we call Saturday. For example, Saturday in the Spanish language is "Sabado", which preserves the original meaning of 'the Sabbath'. In Italian, it is "Sabbato", which also means 'the Sabbath'. In Russian it is, "Subbota" and so on. Let me give you a more indepth example of this. In German, the word for Saturday is "Samstag". This is used in Australia, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and of course Germany. Now 'Samstag' derived from the Old High German Word "Sambaztac" which itself derives from the Greek word "Sabbaton" and this Greek word derives from the Hebrew "Shabbat" - SABBATH. This shows that God preserved the Sabbath from Bible times right to this day! Praise the Lord for His glory and power!

- The Jews have been strictly keeping the 7th day Sabbath for thousands of years - What is the Sabbath to the Jews? Just another day? No, it is a vital part of their lives. So do you think they would miss a change in the weekly cycle and now be keeping the wrong day as the 7th day? I don't think so. They have been keeping it strictly for thousands of years and today they keep Saturday as the Sabbath day (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday).

- Sunday keepers have been keeping the 1st day for thousands of years in honor of resurrection - When was Jesus resurrected? He was resurrected sometime very early on the 1st day of the week, AFTER the Sabbath (Luke 24:1). And even though there is no command or word from the Lord to now honor the that day, Christians have been keeping the 1st day for thousands of years. And today they continue to keep Sunday, showing that our Saturday is the 7th day.

- US Naval Observatory have confirmed there has been no change in the weekly cycle in 2000 years - I sent an email to the US Naval Observatory a number of years ago, asking whether the weekly cycle has been changed at all in the past 2000 years, and this was their reply ... "The sequence of the days of the week have not been altered in any western calendar system that survived, in the last 2000 years. In other words, we have never added an extra Monday, or dropped a Sunday, etc," (portal@usno.nsvy.mil, Sun 8/8/2010 4:40PM). So as you can see, there has not been any change, moving from one calendar to another, but the weekly cycle never changed.

Truly - The 7th day in Bible times is the same as the 7th day today, which we call 'Saturday'.

Dear friend. A test is coming soon to see who is on the Lord's side, and the Sabbath will be part of that final test before Jesus returns. So what are you going to give your allegiance to? God or man? Who are you going to have faith in? God's Word, or the word of man? The Lord could not be any clearer regarding His holy 7th day Sabbath. It is man who has deceived the churches to turn away from God's holy day. This isn't just a question of 'the law.' It is a question of do we acknowledge the Lord as our Creator and Master? If so, then we will keep the day the Lord has "MADE FOR MAN." Rather than the day that man has substituted in place of the Lord's Sabbath.

We are saved BY FAITH - which includes FAITH in God's Word!

Bless.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

SUNDAY CHURCHES ARE MISSING THIS KEY POINT OF FAITH REGARDING THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH - THE SIGN OF FAITH IN GOD'S COMPLETE AND PERFECT SANCTIFICATION

I have so many discussions concerning the 7th day Sabbath with Sunday keeping (or no day keeping) Christians. And it always ends up in a discussion about the law, with them stating ... 'we are no longer under the law, you are trying to be saved by works." And they completely miss the key point of FAITH regarding the seventh day Sabbath. So what is this key point they miss? Let's take a look.
Genesis 2:1-3

Just stop and think about this for a moment. The only place we get 7 day weekly cycle from is the creation account in the Bible. So your Creator; your God, set up the 7 day weekly cycle and did something with the 7th day. He "blessed and sanctified it." He made the 7th day a HOLY day. So your God is telling you ... "I have made the 7th day of the week HOLY." Now if God told you that face to face, what would you think? Would you say, "nah, that doesn't matter"? Or would you say, "Ok Lord, you have made it holy so I will treat it as Holy"? Well, your Creator and God HAS told you just that through His Word.

Just take in for a moment. Your creator and your God has told you that He has made one specific day of the week HOLY TIME. And who is your creator? Is it not Jesus Christ, the Son of God? Is He not the one who set aside the 7th day to be holy time? Remember what Jesus said?

Mark 2:27-28

This verse is very interesting and yet so many Christians miss the beauty and truth of these words of Christ. For some strange reason, Christians use this against Sabbath keeping, just because Jesus said that man wasn't made for the Sabbath. Yes, that's right! Man was NOT made for the Sabbath - the Sabbath was made FOR man. So just take that in for a moment. The Lord MADE the Sabbath FOR YOU! He made a specific day - the 7th day - as a holy day in which you can receive a blessing. So are you now going to turn around and say ... "thanks Lord, but I don't need or want your gift."? If so, you are going to miss out on a great blessing - one that may even cost you life itself!

Please understand this. What attribute does God have? He is HOLY right? (Isaiah 6:3). And what makes anything else holy? It is the presence of our holy God (Exodus 3:5). It was only the presence of God that made the ground where Moses stood holy. So what do you think makes the 7th day Sabbath holy? It is the very sanctifying presence of God! Yes, God sends His Spirit and angels to help and guide us other days too. But no other day has the special sanctifying presence of God like the 7th day of the week. Which is why Jesus said that He is also "Lord of the Sabbath." The other six days were merely the days that the Lord created all things on - work days. But the 7th day is a day all by itself, in that it was set apart for holy use and fellowship with the Lord. Again, which is why Jesus never said He was Lord of any other day, but the Sabbath!

So God sanctifies the 7th day of the week with His presence. What else does God want to sanctify? YOU and I. But how can God sanctify us fully when we refuse to meet with Him on the specific day He made holy for that sanctification work to be complete?

If a doctor sets a day for you to go to him, so he can fix your broken leg, but you decide to choose your own day, is the doctor going to be there to fix your leg? No! In the same way, God has set a specific day for us to meet Him, so He can bless us with His Holy sanctifying presence and heal us.

Why do you think so many churches and Christians are failing in their walk and still struggling in sin? Because they have rejected the very day in which God wants to especially bless, heal and sanctify us. Even God Himself was 'refreshed' by the 7th day Sabbath (Exodus 31:17). So don't you think we will especially be refreshed by keeping that day holy for God? Oh.. If we would only seek the blessing of God more thoroughly, we would be healed!

But why do many 'Saturday keepers' continue to struggle in sin and weakness? Because they too do not understand what the Sabbath is about, which is why I call them 'Saturday keepers.' They are not Sabbath keepers, they merely keep Saturday because they think they have to! It is not done out of faith or a proper understanding of what the Sabbath is about. Therefore they neither receive the full sanctifying presence of God in their lives.

Isaiah 58:13-14

Now how do we know that the 7th day of creation is actually the Sabbath DAY? Some people say that the seventh day of creation was not the weekly Sabbath. But God confirmed this in the 4th commandment, look:

Exodus 20:8-11

Do you see? God is referring to creation week in the 4th commandment. Do you see that God is calling the seventh day of creation - "the SABBATH DAY"? God is pointing us back to creation week and is confirming that the seventh day of creation, the day He blessed and sanctified IS THE SABBATH DAY!

Now please understand this.
How many Jews were there at creation? NONE! And what sin was there at creation? NONE! Do you understand what this means? It means exactly what Jesus told us .. "the Sabbath was MADE FOR MAN." It wasn't made for the Jews and it wasn't given after sin. Read the 4th commandment again. God said we are to keep the Sabbath day because of His creative work! LOOK - read it again:

Exodus 20:8-11

Do you see it? The 7th day Sabbath was given, not because of the Jews or sin, or because God simply added it to His law - But because God is our Creator and He created this world in 6 days and made the 7th day HOLY for us to acknowledge Him as our Creator and spend the day with Him to receive that sanctifying blessing from it. It was given to ALL mankind for ALL eternity!

Isaiah 66:22-23

This is the key point regarding the 7th day Sabbath - There doesn't even need to be any discussion about keeping the Sabbath because of the law, as God instituted the 7th day Sabbath and set that day apart from all other days at creation BEFORE sin even came into this world. Showing the Sabbath was made for ALL mankind for ALL eternity. And we keep it BY FAITH, not just because it is part of the ten commandments, but because we acknowledge God as our Creator and Redeemer who sanctifies. The Sabbath is a sign to show who truly loves the Lord and have FAITH in Him to make us complete and perfect in Him, just as creation was complete and perfect in the beginning before sin.

Exodus 31:13

Keeping the seventh day Sabbath is a sign that we are seeking, BY FAITH, the Lord to sanctify us. Do you see? It is a FAITH issue! The Sabbath is a sign of God's perfect creation and it is also a sign of His perfect Re-creation - sanctification - in our lives.

Some Christians reject this, saying "Jesus IS our Sabbath rest, so we don't need to keep any day." Sorry, but that is NOT 'resting in Christ.' You cannot rest in Christ and at the same time ignore His holy day which He set aside at creation FOR US. That is not faith and it is not resting in Christ. That is following your own way.

What the Sunday churches are not realizing is that Adam and Eve also rested in Christ before they sinned, for He clothed them in righteousness and if they remained IN HIM ​​​​​​, they would have never sinned and would have lived forever. And yet the Sabbath day was still given to Adam and Eve and ALL their descendants BEFORE sin came into the world. Sadly, they didn't remain IN Christ and they fell into sin and disobedience. But sin NEVER changed the fact that we rest in Christ and live in Him. And if Christ gave the Sabbath to Adam and Eve BEFORE they sinned, then how much more do we need it now, when the world is DROWNING in sin?

By keeping the 7th day Sabbath as the Lord's holy day, we are acknowledging that the Lord is our God and we are placing our complete faith in Him as the one who sanctifies us. And remember what we said further above about the special sanctifying presence of God upon the Sabbath day? But if we reject the 7th day Sabbath and keep a tradition of man (Sunday), or no day at all, then we are showing that our faith our faith is NOT in the Lord, but in man instead. And thus we CANNOT receive sanctification, and neither justification, as we can only be justified through FAITH in God's Word!

Do you understand that? We are saved BY FAITH - which includes FAITH in God's Word! - "The seventh day Sabbath is my holy day " (Isaiah 58:13) ..."it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13)

Let me quickly clear up another point about the popular [false] statement ... "the Sabbath was for the Jews only." Do you know what happens to us when we accept Christ as Lord and Saviour? 'We become JEWS! (Ephesians 2:19, 3:6, Romans 11:17)

Isaiah 56:4-7

God's promise and blessing was for EVERYONE who would take hold of Him, not just the Jews. So will YOU take hold of God by faith and trust in Him, rather than trusting in man and his traditions?

HOW DO WE KNOW THE 7TH DAY TODAY IS THE SAME AS IN THE BIBLE TIMES?

This is a common question and one that the Sunday keeping Christians use as an excuse to not keep the 7th day today (our Saturday). But we have plenty enough evidence to know that the 7th day today, which we call 'Saturday', is the same 7th day as back in Bible times, and is the true Sabbath day the Lord instituted at creation.

Please note: Even though our calendars have changed and dates altered, the weekly 7 day cicle has never changed.

- The Lord preserved the Sabbath in the various world's languages - in over 100 languages the original meaning of 'sabbath' is preserved in the names for the day that we call Saturday. For example, Saturday in the Spanish language is "Sabado", which preserves the original meaning of 'the Sabbath'. In Italian, it is "Sabbato", which also means 'the Sabbath'. In Russian it is, "Subbota" and so on. Let me give you a more indepth example of this. In German, the word for Saturday is "Samstag". This is used in Australia, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and of course Germany. Now 'Samstag' derived from the Old High German Word "Sambaztac" which itself derives from the Greek word "Sabbaton" and this Greek word derives from the Hebrew "Shabbat" - SABBATH. This shows that God preserved the Sabbath from Bible times right to this day! Praise the Lord for His glory and power!

- The Jews have been strictly keeping the 7th day Sabbath for thousands of years - What is the Sabbath to the Jews? Just another day? No, it is a vital part of their lives. So do you think they would miss a change in the weekly cycle and now be keeping the wrong day as the 7th day? I don't think so. They have been keeping it strictly for thousands of years and today they keep Saturday as the Sabbath day (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday).

- Sunday keepers have been keeping the 1st day for thousands of years in honor of resurrection - When was Jesus resurrected? He was resurrected sometime very early on the 1st day of the week, AFTER the Sabbath (Luke 24:1). And even though there is no command or word from the Lord to now honor the that day, Christians have been keeping the 1st day for thousands of years. And today they continue to keep Sunday, showing that our Saturday is the 7th day.

- US Naval Observatory have confirmed there has been no change in the weekly cycle in 2000 years - I sent an email to the US Naval Observatory a number of years ago, asking whether the weekly cycle has been changed at all in the past 2000 years, and this was their reply ... "The sequence of the days of the week have not been altered in any western calendar system that survived, in the last 2000 years. In other words, we have never added an extra Monday, or dropped a Sunday, etc," (portal@usno.nsvy.mil, Sun 8/8/2010 4:40PM). So as you can see, there has not been any change, moving from one calendar to another, but the weekly cycle never changed.

Truly - The 7th day in Bible times is the same as the 7th day today, which we call 'Saturday'.

Dear friend. A test is coming soon to see who is on the Lord's side, and the Sabbath will be part of that final test before Jesus returns. So what are you going to give your allegiance to? God or man? Who are you going to have faith in? God's Word, or the word of man? The Lord could not be any clearer regarding His holy 7th day Sabbath. It is man who has deceived the churches to turn away from God's holy day. This isn't just a question of 'the law.' It is a question of do we acknowledge the Lord as our Creator and Master? If so, then we will keep the day the Lord has "MADE FOR MAN." Rather than the day that man has substituted in place of the Lord's Sabbath.

We are saved BY FAITH - which includes FAITH in God's Word!

Bless.

LOT of work for NOTHING. Romans 14 erases all of it, since the "Sabbath Day" is simply IGNORED. JESUS is the "Sabbath' in whom we rest 7/24/365. The SABBATH is a shadow of HIM.
Acts 15:29 details what was important for the gentile church.

 

[Pipiripi]

LOT of work for NOTHING. Romans 14 erases all of it, since the "Sabbath Day" is simply IGNORED. JESUS is the "Sabbath' in whom we rest 7/24/365. The SABBATH is a shadow of HIM.
Acts 15:29 details what was important for the gentile church.

You don't understand and you cannot understand. 2Thessalonians 2:10-12.

 

[clefty]

LOT of work for NOTHING. Romans 14 erases all of it, since the "Sabbath Day" is simply IGNORED.

Sabbath was ignored because it was NOT what was being contended here...but which day to fast or not fast on...

JESUS is the "Sabbath' in whom we rest 7/24/365.

Jesus is a calendar day of the week? After six days of work? Please show your work to this answer thanks.

John was clear if you claim to abide “in Him” you must live AS HE LIVED...which means NO HAM DINNERS after Sunday morning power hours...His custom was to go into the synagogue...follow Him ok?

The SABBATH is a shadow of HIM.

YES...they ARE shadows...good good...still binding

nope...NOT of Him but ARE a shadow of good things to come...Col 2:17 written long after the cross

Acts 15:29 details what was important for the gentile church.

only 4 things important?

3 of them about keeping clean meat clean already in the OT for “strangers within thy gates”

so the gentiles crowding synagogues on Sabbath were allowed to:

worship other gods
make images and worship them
blaspheme His name
dishonor parents
kill
steal
lie (obviously)
covet

notice 2 are missing as they are listed as expected of gentiles to continue to do:

not commit adultery
keep hearing Moses in every city on every Sabbath Acts 15:21

“Gentile church” LOL...Paul was also clear Jew and Greek were JOINED as citizen of Israel...Eph 2:19

Jew and Greek drank into ONE SPIRIT 1 Cor 12:13

is why a Sabbath keeping remains for His people a sabbatismos Heb 4:9 a Hebrew-Greek word for a Jew-Greek citizen of Israel just like when THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness when He its Head gave the living oracles to a body already full of those NOT of Jacob...

Ironic how the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY commandment to reflect that inclusivity given to those “strangers within thy gates”...and the ONLY commandment specified by Yahushua as being given to man...not just to Jews...neat eh?

enough?...there’s more...

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Pipiripi,

Some Christians reject this, saying "Jesus IS our Sabbath rest, so we don't need to keep any day." Sorry, but that is NOT 'resting in Christ.' You cannot rest in Christ and at the same time ignore His holy day which He set aside at creation FOR US. That is not faith and it is not resting in Christ. That is following your own way..

I appreciate the very extensive exposition of the Sabbath Keeping view. Perhaps I am reasonably close to the above assessment, but I would put it in different words. For my part I consider that we do not need to keep or rest one day in seven, but we need to find our rest in Christ, but initially when we respond to the call of Jesus in Matthew 11:28-30 and having found this rest then we labour in His service 24/7.
Matthew 11:25–30 (AV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Hebrews 4:1–11 (KJV): 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Dear friend. A test is coming soon to see who is on the Lord's side, and the Sabbath will be part of that final test before Jesus returns.

Some people who advocate the Sabbath claim that the Great Controversy of the last days will be the subject of the Sabbath. This teaching is not contained in the Scriptures. Jesus is the True Sabbath.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[clefty]

Greetings Pipiripi, I appreciate the very extensive exposition of the Sabbath Keeping view. Perhaps I am reasonably close to the above assessment, but I would put it in different words. For my part I consider that we do not need to keep or rest one day in seven, but we need to find our rest in Christ, but initially when we respond to the call of Jesus in Matthew 11:28-30 and having found this rest then we labour in His service 24/7.

Yes yes...our “do not steal” is IN HIM while not actually applied in our daily lives so IN HIM I am not stealing but out here well...

Yes so too our “do not kill” is IN CHRIST and every day...but not actually exercised in our real day to day...

So to our “do not commit adultery” is IN JESUS EVERY DAY...so I don’t need to heed it during the week

In fact ALL the commandments I do IN HIM so as not to have to actually do it during the week...literally

Like the Sabbath I keep rest one day IN HIM AND work six days IN HIM...so when the calendar day rolls around I actually don’t need to rest all day...because I am IN HIM...

despite John clearly stating that in Him we are to LIVE JUST AS HE DID...OR Follow Him into Sabbath keeping...

Matthew 11:25–30 (AV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

yup the rest He gave in the beginning before we needed it...is the same rest we need now...is why it is given to man and not just Jews...

Hebrews 4:1–11 (KJV): 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Some people who advocate the Sabbath claim that the Great Controversy of the last days will be the subject of the Sabbath. This teaching is not contained in the Scriptures. Jesus is the True Sabbath.

Kind regards
Trevor

Here is the first rest “For IF” Joshua had given...but he still spoke of another day:

4“And now that the LORD your God has given your brothers rest as He promised them, you may return to your homes in the land that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you across the Jordan.” Joshua 22:4

And here is the another day of rest of which he spoke of afterward:

5”But be very careful to observe the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you: to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.” Joshua 22:5

Again in Joshua 23:1 rest 6 keep and do Law of Moses


This is the sabbath keeping the sabbatismos from a joining of the Hebrew-Greek languages to describe what remains for His Jew-Greek joined people Heb 4:9 neat eh?

the New citizen of Israel Eph 2:19

What Yah has joined let no man separate. Mark 10:9

 

[Pipiripi]

Greetings Pipiripi, I appreciate the very extensive exposition of the Sabbath Keeping view. Perhaps I am reasonably close to the above assessment, but I would put it in different words. For my part I consider that we do not need to keep or rest one day in seven, but we need to find our rest in Christ, but initially when we respond to the call of Jesus in Matthew 11:28-30 and having found this rest then we labour in His service 24/7.
Matthew 11:25–30 (AV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Hebrews 4:1–11 (KJV): 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Some people who advocate the Sabbath claim that the Great Controversy of the last days will be the subject of the Sabbath. This teaching is not contained in the Scriptures. Jesus is the True Sabbath.

Kind regards
Trevor

What do you mean with Jesus is the true Sabbath? Sabbath is a day, and Jesus is a being.

My friend, I have seen that you have take your time and read the statement. My friend read more passionately the statement. It is all about ONE day rest. If you choose all 7, it is your willingness to do so. But god has CREATED 1 DAY FOR REST. Do you ignore that one day and make it equal with the other six days?

 

[Pipiripi]

Sabbath was ignored because it was NOT what was being contended here...but which day to fast or not fast on...

Jesus is a calendar day of the week? After six days of work? Please show your work to this answer thanks.

John was clear if you claim to abide “in Him” you must live AS HE LIVED...which means NO HAM DINNERS after Sunday morning power hours...His custom was to go into the synagogue...follow Him ok?

YES...they ARE shadows...good good...still binding

nope...NOT of Him but ARE a shadow of good things to come...Col 2:17 written long after the cross



only 4 things important?

3 of them about keeping clean meat clean already in the OT for “strangers within thy gates”

so the gentiles crowding synagogues on Sabbath were allowed to:

worship other gods
make images and worship them
blaspheme His name
dishonor parents
kill
steal
lie (obviously)
covet

notice 2 are missing as they are listed as expected of gentiles to continue to do:

not commit adultery
keep hearing Moses in every city on every Sabbath Acts 15:21

“Gentile church” LOL...Paul was also clear Jew and Greek were JOINED as citizen of Israel...Eph 2:19

Jew and Greek drank into ONE SPIRIT 1 Cor 12:13

is why a Sabbath keeping remains for His people a sabbatismos Heb 4:9 a Hebrew-Greek word for a Jew-Greek citizen of Israel just like when THIS ekklesia was in the OT wilderness when He its Head gave the living oracles to a body already full of those NOT of Jacob...

Ironic how the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY commandment to reflect that inclusivity given to those “strangers within thy gates”...and the ONLY commandment specified by Yahushua as being given to man...not just to Jews...neat eh?

enough?...there’s more...

Again, you cannot understand the scriptures.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. So simple. Maybe read it again completely, but this time with your Bible.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again clefty and Pipiripi,

Yes yes...our “do not steal” is IN HIM while not actually applied in our daily lives so IN HIM I am not stealing but out here well...
Yes so too our “do not kill” is IN CHRIST and every day...but not actually exercised in our real day to day...
So to our “do not commit adultery” is IN JESUS EVERY DAY...so I don’t need to heed it during the week
In fact ALL the commandments I do IN HIM so as not to have to actually do it during the week...literally

Nice to see you on this thread rather than discussing the Sabbath on the Land Promise to Abraham thread. Perhaps I am not really interested in discussing every aspect concerning the Sabbath, but seeing you have introduced some aspects of the 10 Commandments, perhaps you might like to discuss this first. I would like to suggest that there is a great difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 10 Commandments. Please compare what Jesus teaches on two of the Commandments that you have mentioned above:
Matthew 5:21–32 (KJV): 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Now I should imagine that you have an answer as to why Jesus says “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time” before quoting each of the 2 Commandments, and after quoting each of the 2 Commandments he then says “But I say unto you”. I would like to suggest that possibly in your environment and teaching that emphasises the 10 Commandments, that this teaching here of Jesus is possibly ignored, or let us say not emphasised as much. The difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 2 Commandments here, is that Jesus examines the very thinking and motives and lusts of the individual, and breaks them down to reveal the heart of man.

Now the 3rd Commandment that you mention “do not steal” is also considered by Jesus and other NT writers. For example we could say that Jesus deals in part with the heart of a thief in Matthew 6:25-34, and there is some teaching by Paul in Ephesians 4:28 how a thief may seek to be cured.

Another interesting aspect is how the Commandment “Thou shalt not covet” is dealt with. Perhaps a few examples. When the rich young man asked Jesus what he should do, Jesus at first speaks about a few of The Commandments, but excludes “Thou shalt not covet”. But then Jesus asks him to sell all that he has, and to take up his cross and follow Jesus. He failed to respond at least at this time, and this was partly because of his covetousness Matthew 19:16-24 and parallel references. It is also interesting that this Command is in the important discussion by Paul in Romans 7:7 and I suggest that we may have different perspectives on this and the whole of Romans 7 and 8.

What do you mean with Jesus is the true Sabbath? Sabbath is a day, and Jesus is a being.
My friend, I have seen that you have take your time and read the statement. My friend read more passionately the statement. It is all about ONE day rest. If you choose all 7, it is your willingness to do so. But god has CREATED 1 DAY FOR REST. Do you ignore that one day and make it equal with the other six days?

All the lessons concerning the Sabbath find their fulfilment in Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Pipiripi]

Greetings again clefty and Pipiripi, Nice to see you on this thread rather than discussing the Sabbath on the Land Promise to Abraham thread. Perhaps I am not really interested in discussing every aspect concerning the Sabbath, but seeing you have introduced some aspects of the 10 Commandments, perhaps you might like to discuss this first. I would like to suggest that there is a great difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 10 Commandments. Please compare what Jesus teaches on two of the Commandments that you have mentioned above:
Matthew 5:21–32 (KJV): 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Now I should imagine that you have an answer as to why Jesus says “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time” before quoting each of the 2 Commandments, and after quoting each of the 2 Commandments he then says “But I say unto you”. I would like to suggest that possibly in your environment and teaching that emphasises the 10 Commandments, that this teaching here of Jesus is possibly ignored, or let us say not emphasised as much. The difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 2 Commandments here, is that Jesus examines the very thinking and motives and lusts of the individual, and breaks them down to reveal the heart of man.

Now the 3rd Commandment that you mention “do not steal” is also considered by Jesus and other NT writers. For example we could say that Jesus deals in part with the heart of a thief in Matthew 6:25-34, and there is some teaching by Paul in Ephesians 4:28 how a thief may seek to be cured.

Another interesting aspect is how the Commandment “Thou shalt not covet” is dealt with. Perhaps a few examples. When the rich young man asked Jesus what he should do, Jesus at first speaks about a few of The Commandments, but excludes “Thou shalt not covet”. But then Jesus asks him to sell all that he has, and to take up his cross and follow Jesus. He failed to respond at least at this time, and this was partly because of his covetousness Matthew 19:16-24 and parallel references. It is also interesting that this Command is in the important discussion by Paul in Romans 7:7 and I suggest that we may have different perspectives on this and the whole of Romans 7 and 8.
All the lessons concerning the Sabbath find their fulfilment in Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

It cannot be fulfilled in Christ my friend. The Sabbath is a day that we must keep for eternity. It was created for eternity. Sin never can destroyed God rest day. Read Isaiah 66:22-23 again. If we keep the Sunday rest, then we are keeping traditions of man. If we keep any day equal with the Saturday, then we are breaking the 4th commandment. If we don't keep the Sabbath day Holy now in this sin world, then we cannot keep it in the New World.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Pipiripi,

If we keep the Sunday rest, then we are keeping traditions of man.

I do not keep Sunday. I have found my rest in Christ Matthew 11:20-25, Hebrews 3:7-19, 4:1-13.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[clefty]

Again, you cannot understand the scriptures.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. So simple. Maybe read it again completely, but this time with your Bible.

Hey...is this friendly fire? I am advocating FOR your OP...in other words I am FOR the “Do this in the remembrance of Me”...as applying to more than just bread and wine and footwashing...but also to the remembering of the Sabbath to keep it holy...work six days keep seventh Holy

It is TIRING enough to take multiple shots from others against this view but now also from those I thought were friendly to the remembrance of what He did so that we might love as He love too?

HalleluYah I have a day coming of rest I guess...lol

Hope you were mistaken about me...

 

[clefty]

Greetings again clefty and Pipiripi, Nice to see you on this thread rather than discussing the Sabbath on the Land Promise to Abraham thread.

why rather? Should hope to discuss Him His Ways on every thread...

The irony that the Sabbath is a promised gift long before the land...and also promised to the SAME PEOPLE...His faithful people that keep His ways and commandments...want the Land? there is a condition...enshrined in the Law stating our rights to inheritance and adoption...to become His people Israel...in fact the Sabbath is a perpetual sign of His people who accept His gift of sabbatismos Heb 4:9 remember that Hebrew-Greek word for His Jew-Greek people of Israel...a sign PROMISED already in the Sabbath commandment to those “strangers within thy gates”

In fact the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY ONE that includes these foreigners when He gave THIS ekklesia in the OT wilderness the LIVING ORACLES...to His Body already full of those NOT OF JACOB...Neat eh?

So His people Israel have a SIGN to signify they accept the gift...the promise...you know even of LAND...

Oh NOW you are interested right? LOL


21Thus you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners who dwell among you and who have children. You are to treat them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.23In whatever tribe a foreigner dwells, you are to assign his inheritance there,” declares the Lord GOD.…Ezekiel 47:21-23

Because

“Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yah to serve Him And to love the name of Yah to be His servants-Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath...I will bring to My holy mountain” Isaiah 56:6-7

Because

“For as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall remain...that from New Moon to New Moon Sabbath to Sabbath ALL shall come to worship” Isaiah 66:22-23

Perhaps I am not really interested in discussing every aspect concerning the Sabbath,

understandable as you reject its condition but want to loot its reward...

But I did just sweeten the deal for you right? I mean LAND is promised to those with the sign right?

LAAAAAAAANNNNNNND...lol

seeing you have introduced some aspects of the 10 Commandments, perhaps you might like to discuss this first. I would like to suggest that there is a great difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 10 Commandments.

here we go...

Please compare what Jesus teaches on two of the Commandments that you have mentioned above:[/FONT]

Matthew 5:21–32 (KJV): 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Now I should imagine that you have an answer as to why Jesus says “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time” before quoting each of the 2 Commandments, and after quoting each of the 2 Commandments he then says “But I say unto you”. I would like to suggest that possibly in your environment and teaching that emphasises the 10 Commandments, that this teaching here of Jesus is possibly ignored, or let us say not emphasised as much. The difference between the teaching of Jesus and the 2 Commandments here, is that Jesus examines the very thinking and motives and lusts of the individual, and breaks them down to reveal the heart of man.

oh my...so might I ask where the idea to kill or adultery originate? Or where the desire stems from?

This is what Yahushua is getting at. IT STARTS FROM WITHIN...the inner being unclean or defiled or uncircumcised will cause and OUTER result...or do you mean to say He REPLACED the original Law and that killing is allowed as long as it is NOT out of anger...or that adultery is acceptable as long as it is NOT out of lust? Certainly NOT the INNER SPIRITUAL CONDITION does NOT make void the Law...

He did NOT override the original Law with His “but I say to you” He EXACTLY AMPLIFIED IT...stating if you have anger you already have broken the law...if you have lust you have ALREADY broken the Law...

Now the 3rd Commandment that you mention “do not steal” is also considered by Jesus and other NT writers. For example we could say that Jesus deals in part with the heart of a thief in Matthew 6:25-34, and there is some teaching by Paul in Ephesians 4:28 how a thief may seek to be cured.

or for example the thief on the cross...were he spared death and given extended life would you expect him to return to his theiving ways? Or LIVE MORE AS HIS SAVIOR DID...and BECAUSE he was saved...and his HEART renewed CIRCUMCISED to be MORE like Him and less like his former way...now he was an INWARDLY JEW as well...ONLY NOW able to claim the Promise enshrined in the Law he now KEPT.

FONT=Calibri]Another interesting aspect is how the Commandment “Thou shalt not covet” is dealt with. Perhaps a few examples. When the rich young man asked Jesus what he should do, Jesus at first speaks about a few of The Commandments, but excludes “Thou shalt not covet”. But then Jesus asks him to sell all that he has, and to take up his cross and follow Jesus. He failed to respond at least at this time, and this was partly because of his covetousness Matthew 19:16-24 and parallel references. It is also interesting that this Command is in the important discussion by Paul in Romans 7:7 and I suggest that we may have different perspectives on this and the whole of Romans 7 and 8.[/FONT]

glad you are stumbling upon it yourself with your own eloquence...of course Paul dealt with the INNER REALM as that is BECAUSE OF A SPIRITUAL LAW...one he terms IS as in present tense...IS Holy JUST and GOOD...7:12 it amplified his sin as deadly 7:13 and thus his NEED of salvation and subsequent keeping of the Law “FOR I DELIGHT IN THE LAW OF YAH according to the inward man...7:22 who is the Jew INWARDLY as he previously instructed with the heart circumcised Rom 2:29

“O wretched man that I am” he moans because of the war within but through Yahushua thank Yah!! he with his MIND serves the Law 7:25

Paul affirms and confirms what Yahushua taught...

It is NOT the Ham sandwich coming into the pie hole...that makes one unclean...but that one CHOSE to put it INTO the body from a defiled unclean uncircumcised HEART and NOT Christlike “inner Jew” mind...

The inner was unclean first...then unclean decisions were made...

Like the tattoo...it is NOT the needle piercing the skin with ink which makes one unclean but all that time and deliberation thinking WHAT to get? where on the body? Who to do the inking? How much...etc...from a desire to look cool...or make a mark at all...

All the lessons concerning the Sabbath find their fulfilment in Christ.

Kind regards

Trevor[/SIZE]

and in His fulfillment of them you do not have to right?

“THINK NOT THAT” but you do...


πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) — 4 Occurrences


Matthew 3:15 V-ANA

GRK: ἐστὶν ἡμῖν πληρῶσαι πᾶσαν δικαιοσύνην

NAS: it is fitting for us to fulfill all

KJV: us to fulfil all

INT: it is to us to fulfill all righteousness

So by fulfill here Yahushua is conspiring with the Baptizer to abolish all righteousness?



Matthew 5:17 V-ANA

GRK: καταλῦσαι ἀλλὰ πληρῶσαι

NAS: to abolish but to fulfill.

KJV: to destroy, but to fulfil.

INT: to abolish but to fulfill [them]

Yes we already know you mean Him to destroy His Law



Romans 15:13 V-AOA-3S

GRK: τῆς ἐλπίδος πληρώσαι ὑμᾶς πάσης

NAS: of hope fill you with all

KJV: the God of hope fill you with all

INT: of hope may fill you with all

Paul here is wishing Yah to kill them with all joy and peace



Colossians 1:25 V-ANA

GRK: εἰς ὑμᾶς πληρῶσαι τὸν λόγον

NAS: on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the [preaching of] the word

KJV: for you, to fulfil the word of God;

INT: toward you to complete the

And finally Paul here is to ABOLISH the word of Yah?


When you fulfill your duty as citizen one day...are you free NOT to the next? “But JUDGE I fulfilled it yesterday”

When you fulfill a recipe to provide cookies to your family?

“No you may NOT have the recipe it is gone forever...as are these cookies”

When you fulfill the speed limit are you allowed to break other traffic laws? “But officer I didn’t have to keep the red light I was fulfilling the speed limit!”

Yup maybe NOW you are more interested in discussin aspects of the Sabbath...the original promised gift...you KNOW

LAAAAND...lol

A promised Holy land...where and when ALL His people keep fulfilling ALL His Law...not just 9/10ths

Restored to like His image and in the Garden BEFORE this detour of sin when the Sabbath was given UNEARNED to Adam...just like the Second Adam was sleeping UDESERVEDLY in the tomb on the Sabbath the first full day of the New Covenant age...

 

[clefty]

Greetings again Pipiripi, I do not keep Sunday.

pardon the intrusion but Sabbath keepers come to find we don’t actually keep the Sabbath but that it keeps us...closer to Him His ways...

I have found my rest in Christ

yes yes you keep saying something about keeping one day of the calendar week on every other day to the exclusion of the other six work days I guess...but even Pharisees thought they came up with better ways and improvements to Sabbath keeping...and Israel was constantly inventing new ways to worship...some even used gold...lol

Matthew 11:20-25,

odd and ironic text

Hebrews 3:7-19,

not entering His rest for not keeping His Law...but rebelled with new ways to worship...

4:1-13.

Kind regards
Trevor

Joshua gave them rest and spoke of another day...as I pointed out Joshua 22:5 as breaking the latter is disinheriting the former...

Is why the admonishment to be diligent to enter the latter rest and NOT fall after the same example of disobedience

But to enter His rest to cease from his works as Yah did from His...after six days of work...

Claiming you are IN HIM is to live as He lived...1 John 2:6

And Sabbath rest is ALL DAY and in Him every day ALL day prevents you from work the six...because that too is in the Sabbath promise...

Work was intended to be a blessing...and we sacrifice one day of it for Him...giving up our own pleasure for Him...an alms giving of time to a temple in time...

You would rob Him of that too?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again clefty,

why rather? Should hope to discuss Him His Ways on every thread...

I am not very interested in discussing the Sabbath as Jesus is the True Rest.

glad you are stumbling upon it yourself with your own eloquence...of course Paul dealt with the INNER REALM as that is BECAUSE OF A SPIRITUAL LAW...

I suggested the case of the rich young man and Romans 7:7 “Thou shalt not covet” because they both represent the same mindset, that the way to life is by obedience to the Law, especially emphasising the 10 Commandments. I suggest that the mindset of a true follower of Jesus is summarised in the following:
Galatians 2:20 (KJV): I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
This is a different focus, a different mindset.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[clefty]

Greetings again clefty, I am not very interested in discussing the Sabbath

well we had included discussing the “inner spiritual realm” which indicates the circumcised heart and the Christlike “inner Jew” mind...having us make clean choices to keep that which is clean clean...and Holy which was made Holy...and His separate from what is NOT His...but yes this path is NOT for everyone...is why it is straight to the goal...and narrow not many on it...His have always been the minority and remnant...because it is work and strenuous impacts the entirety of life every day encompasses all choices and entails much sacrifice and discipline...establishing His law for ourselves and others on earth as it is in heaven sowing seeds AND harvesting but...serving others as He served us...overcoming persevering remaining faithful doing works befitting repentance...
So much more...

But His commandments are not burdensome...

It’s all preparing to be restored to when life was like BEFORE this detour of sin...when there was NO partaking of that which is unclean...or clean meat...LOL the irony

as Jesus is the True Rest.

“I will give you rest” is not exactly giving up His living oracle which He gave at Sinai...or following His teaching and demonstrating...He WORKS Remember? Resting all day everyday is NOT working six nor is it resting the seventh...He has a burden and a YOKE as there is WORK to be done...I alluded to it above...but yes again I understand it is NOT chosen by everyone to do AS He DID...

I suggested the case of the rich young man and Romans 7:7 “Thou shalt not covet” because they both represent the same mindset, that the way to life is by obedience to the Law, especially emphasising the 10 Commandments.

I concur...”DO THIS AND LIVE” here AND in the next life...they are afterall a description of the life to come...follow the 10 and you will be living Holy practicing for the time we “put on immortality” HalleluYah as regeneration which restores us back to Him His ways ACTUALLY

I suggest that the mindset of a true follower of Jesus is summarised in the following:
Galatians 2:20 (KJV): I am crucified with Christ:

yup dead to former ways and ways of this world and to the consequences of sin

nevertheless I live;

as He did...restored to when we were made ACTUALLY in His IMAGE

yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:

do He live a different life IN ME than He lived while on earth? If we claim to abide in Him we must live as He did ! John 2:6

and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,

the faith OF Notice NOT IN...what is the faith OF the Son of God? Buddhism? Hindu? Muslim? Catholic? Protestant?

who loved me,

yes and love Him AS JUST AS He loved you...was it the love of the world? The love of a Buddhist? Hindu? Muslim? Etc...NO of course NOT...His love is specific and unique He taught it and demonstrated it FOR US PRIOR His death signing with His blood and SEALING it with His death—the New Covenant lifestyle

and gave himself for me.

yes you are bought now...His slave...for His purpose His way and WORK...

This is a different focus, a different mindset.

so you divide His kingdom? Between those that live as He did and those that do NOT? That is going to be ODD IF during the 1000 years rule TWO sets of Laws are being taught...all those resurrected from the 1st set vs the new “lawless under grace”...apartheid state to follow?

Isaiah clears that up “new earth...Sabbath to Sabbath ALL will worship” Isaiah 66:22-23

Because “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith OF Yahushua” Rev 14:12

Because “go ye into ALL nations teaching them to observe ALL I commanded” Matt 28:20

Because “Moses has been preached and read in every city EVERY SABBATH” Acts 15:21

Even in biological law a grafted branch must MATCH the ones which remain on the tree NOT cut off for unbelief...olives can not come from fig branches nor figs from the grapevine...

The fruit MATCH...both olives...must be MORE similar NOT less...

Kind regards
Trevor

Might that name remain in the Book of Life...when those with a perpetual sign His name on their forehead who Love Him JUST AS He loved us are restored to Him just as it was prior this detour of sin sacrifices temples and “work by the sweat of the brow” to be diligent and ENTER His rest and cease from our work as He did from His...after six days...

But yeah His way ain’t for everybody...was given to Man not just Jews...but not accepted by all...

May He lead...

HalleluYah

 

[Pipiripi]

well we had included discussing the “inner spiritual realm” which indicates the circumcised heart and the Christlike “inner Jew” mind...having us make clean choices to keep that which is clean clean...and Holy which was made Holy...and His separate from what is NOT His...but yes this path is NOT for everyone...is why it is straight to the goal...and narrow not many on it...His have always been the minority and remnant...because it is work and strenuous impacts the entirety of life every day encompasses all choices and entails much sacrifice and discipline...establishing His law for ourselves and others on earth as it is in heaven sowing seeds AND harvesting but...serving others as He served us...overcoming persevering remaining faithful doing works befitting repentance...
So much more...

But His commandments are not burdensome...

It’s all preparing to be restored to when life was like BEFORE this detour of sin...when there was NO partaking of that which is unclean...or clean meat...LOL the irony

“I will give you rest” is not exactly giving up His living oracle which He gave at Sinai...or following His teaching and demonstrating...He WORKS Remember? Resting all day everyday is NOT working six nor is it resting the seventh...He has a burden and a YOKE as there is WORK to be done...I alluded to it above...but yes again I understand it is NOT chosen by everyone to do AS He DID...


I concur...”DO THIS AND LIVE” here AND in the next life...they are afterall a description of the life to come...follow the 10 and you will be living Holy practicing for the time we “put on immortality” HalleluYah as regeneration which restores us back to Him His ways ACTUALLY

yup dead to former ways and ways of this world and to the consequences of sin

as He did...restored to when we were made ACTUALLY in His IMAGE

do He live a different life IN ME than He lived while on earth? If we claim to abide in Him we must live as He did ! John 2:6

the faith OF Notice NOT IN...what is the faith OF the Son of God? Buddhism? Hindu? Muslim? Catholic? Protestant?

yes and love Him AS JUST AS He loved you...was it the love of the world? The love of a Buddhist? Hindu? Muslim? Etc...NO of course NOT...His love is specific and unique He taught it and demonstrated it FOR US PRIOR His death signing with His blood and SEALING it with His death—the New Covenant lifestyle

yes you are bought now...His slave...for His purpose His way and WORK...


so you divide His kingdom? Between those that live as He did and those that do NOT? That is going to be ODD IF during the 1000 years rule TWO sets of Laws are being taught...all those resurrected from the 1st set vs the new “lawless under grace”...apartheid state to follow?

Isaiah clears that up “new earth...Sabbath to Sabbath ALL will worship” Isaiah 66:22-23

Because “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith OF Yahushua” Rev 14:12

Because “go ye into ALL nations teaching them to observe ALL I commanded” Matt 28:20

Because “Moses has been preached and read in every city EVERY SABBATH” Acts 15:21

Even in biological law a grafted branch must MATCH the ones which remain on the tree NOT cut off for unbelief...olives can not come from fig branches nor figs from the grapevine...

The fruit MATCH...both olives...must be MORE similar NOT less...



Might that name remain in the Book of Life...when those with a perpetual sign His name on their forehead who Love Him JUST AS He loved us are restored to Him just as it was prior this detour of sin sacrifices temples and “work by the sweat of the brow” to be diligent and ENTER His rest and cease from our work as He did from His...after six days...

But yeah His way ain’t for everybody...was given to Man not just Jews...but not accepted by all...

May He lead...

HalleluYah

Clefty, I don't need to say nothing. Keep preaching the truth.

 

[clefty]

Clefty, I don't need to say nothing. Keep preaching the truth.

No worries...

you do need to say something though...

This Jewish false witness “Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered”

meant to attempt to slander Stephen is STILL stirring up the people...Acts 6:13-14