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    Jer 13:23a . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

    The answer to both those questions is of course "no" because if an h.sapiens is born with black skin, it stays black; and if a cat is born with spotted fur, its stays spotted. In other words: the color of an Ethiopian's skin, and the spots on a leopard's fur, are indelible; they're permanent.

    Jer 13:23b . . Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

    The apostle Paul said something similar in Rom 7:7-24; which is pretty much summed up in verse 18, which reads thus:

    "I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh"

    The Greek word for "flesh" is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the meaty parts of either man or beast; i.e. the body. The meaty parts of course consist of not only muscle and fat; but also the organs and the brain and the nervous system along with the eyes, the ears, and the tongue. Those are all "meaty" parts.

    What Paul is saying in Rom 7:7-24 is that the human body has a will of its own, and it quite naturally, and quite intrinsically, has a predilection for evil instead of good. In other words; any man who would be 100% righteous is in for a fight against nature, i.e. a fight against his own self-- an inner conflict that (speaking from experience) can lead to a mental disorder or a nervous breakdown.

    Ironically, should someone manage to succeed in a war with themselves, in the long run it will be for naught because all they will have done is suppress their body's natural predilection for evil rather than get rid it.
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    Greetings WeberHome,
    Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
    What Paul is saying in Rom 7:7-24 is that the human body has a will of its own, and it quite naturally, and quite intrinsically, has a predilection for evil instead of good. In other words; any man who would be 100% righteous is in for a fight against nature, i.e. a fight against his own self-- an inner conflict that (speaking from experience) can lead to a mental disorder or a nervous breakdown.

    Ironically, should someone manage to succeed in a war with themselves, in the long run it will be for naught because all they will have done is suppress their body's natural predilection for evil rather than get rid it.
    Yes, I agree with what you say, but Paul moves on in Romans 7:25 and Romans 8:1-4 to speak of the victory wrought in Christ and that we can walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

    Kind regards
    Trevor

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TrevorL View Post
      Greetings WeberHome, Yes, I agree with what you say, but Paul moves on in Romans 7:25 and Romans 8:1-4 to speak of the victory wrought in Christ and that we can walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

      Kind regards
      Trevor
      YES!
      Oh how I love the Word of God!

      Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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        Jer 13:23a . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

        The answer to both those questions is of course "no" because if an h.sapiens is born with black skin, it stays black; and if a cat is born with spotted fur, its stays spotted. In other words: the color of an Ethiopian's skin, and the spots on a leopard's fur, are indelible; they're permanent.

        Jer 13:23b . . Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

        The scripture says those WHO ARE ACCUSTOMED TO DOING ONLY EVIL can't change.

        Not all are only accustomed to doing evil.

        Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
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        The apostle Paul said something similar in Rom 7:7-24; which is pretty much summed up in verse 18, which reads thus:

        "I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh"

        The Greek word for "flesh" is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the meaty parts of either man or beast; i.e. the body. The meaty parts of course consist of not only muscle and fat; but also the organs and the brain and the nervous system along with the eyes, the ears, and the tongue. Those are all "meaty" parts.

        What Paul is saying in Rom 7:7-24 is that the human body has a will of its own, and it quite naturally, and quite intrinsically, has a predilection for evil instead of good. In other words; any man who would be 100% righteous is in for a fight against nature, i.e. a fight against his own self-- an inner conflict that (speaking from experience) can lead to a mental disorder or a nervous breakdown.

        Ironically, should someone manage to succeed in a war with themselves, in the long run it will be for naught because all they will have done is suppress their body's natural predilection for evil rather than get rid it.
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        You preach and don't engage in conversation. You shouldn't just preach since you don't know the Truth well enough.

        The Bible says it is NOT a fight with our body, not with ourselves.

        Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
        Last edited by God's Truth; December 28th, 2019, 08:24 PM.
        Oh how I love the Word of God!

        Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WeberHome View Post
          [SIZE=14px][FONT=verdana].
          Jer 13:23a . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

          The answer to both those questions is of course "no" because if an h.sapiens is born with black skin, it stays black; and if a cat is born with spotted fur, its stays spotted. In other words: the color of an Ethiopian's skin, and the spots on a leopard's fur, are indelible; they're permanent.
          Why's Ethiopian skin color added to this description?
          Seems oddly extraneous.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

            The Bible says it is NOT a fight with our body, not with ourselves.

            Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
            I see nary a difference betwixt the two. Do you challenge the ruling religious authority or are you a willful tool of it? Do you challenge the evils of racism or are you content to let others fight a battle....of perhaps dispassionate concern to you?

            Your action co-reflect the state of world you inhabit and share....you're not special and independent from it.

            You want change....BE the change and understand your unifying roll. If you DON'T want change.....then post more rhetoric on how spiritually superior you are, whilst adding to the chaos.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by quip View Post

              I see nary a difference betwixt the two. Do you challenge the ruling religious authority or are you a willful tool of it? Do you challenge the evils of racism or are you content to let others fight a battle....of perhaps dispassionate concern to you?

              Your action co-reflect the state of world you inhabit and share....you're not special and independent from it.

              You want change....BE the change and understand your unifying roll. If you DON'T want change.....then post more rhetoric on how spiritually superior you are, whilst adding to the chaos.
              You speak mumbo jumbo.

              You are a false judge.

              If you don't love the Lord then you don't love Truth.
              Oh how I love the Word of God!

              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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              • #8
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                It's not all that difficult to show that Jesus Christ is Adam's biological progeny; which of course attests that he's a genuine h.sapiens rather than an imitation, i.e. a look-alike rather than the real thing; viz: a counterfeit.

                Yet according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22; Jesus Christ never committed one single solitary sin in his entire life, which is quite remarkable considering that his crucified body was no different than anybody else's body in all respects.

                Heb 2:13-18 . . "Here am I, and the children God has given me."

                . . . Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil-- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants.

                . . . For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

                According to that; in order for priests to be effective, one of their qualifications is that they have to be able to empathize with their constituents. So; in order for Jesus to satisfy that requirement, he had to be a genuine h.sapiens; which entails having a genuine h.sapiens body.

                So my question is: How does someone with a body made of genuine h.sapiens flesh-- a body made of the sarx spoken of in post No.1 --manage to get thru life without committing a single, solitary sin?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WeberHome View Post

                  So my question is: How does someone with a body made of genuine h.sapiens flesh-- a body made of the sarx spoken of in post No.1 --manage to get thru life without committing a single, solitary sin?
                  We have to work at it and train ourselves.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                    You speak mumbo jumbo.

                    You are a false judge.

                    If you don't love the Lord then you don't love Truth.
                    I don't hate the Lord thus I don't hate Truth.
                    No less a "false judge" than you.

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                    • #11
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                      FAQ: If it's true that Jesus Christ is Adam's biological progeny, then wouldn't he have been born with a "body of death" just like everybody else? (Rom 7:24)

                      A: Yes, and in point of fact the Bible says that Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh rather than in the likeness of righteous flesh. (Rom 8:3)

                      The Bible also says of Jesus that he was "made like his brothers in every way". (Heb 2:13-18)

                      The Bible also says that Jesus was made of David's seed according to the flesh, viz: made of David's body. (Acts 2:29-30, Rom 1:3)
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by quip View Post

                        I don't hate the Lord thus I don't hate Truth.
                        No less a "false judge" than you.
                        You are a false judge when you called what I posted "rhetoric" and that I add to the chaos.

                        Do you not know what you do?

                        You are a false judge who goes against the Truth.
                        Oh how I love the Word of God!

                        Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                          You are a false judge when you called what I posted "rhetoric" and that I add to the chaos.

                          Do you not know what you do?

                          You are a false judge who goes against the Truth.
                          And hubris such as this only adds to the chaos.
                          Count for me all the conflicting assertions of "Truth"...I'll wait.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by quip View Post

                            And hubris such as this only adds to the chaos.
                            Count for me all the conflicting assertions of "Truth"...I'll wait.
                            The truth is that you attacked me for what I said as rhetoric and chaos.

                            Try to go against what I said and prove it is rhetoric, because your mere opinion is nothing.
                            Oh how I love the Word of God!

                            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                              The truth is that you attacked me for what I said as rhetoric and chaos.

                              Try to go against what I said and prove it is rhetoric, because your mere opinion is nothing.
                              It's ALL opinion.

                              I can no more prove it's rhetoric any more than you can prove it's the Truth. That's the nature of the - un-verifiable - beast.

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